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1 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | nivlac5 | 89058 | ||
New Creature, As I have pointed out, you seem to think that John 15:6 exist in a vacuum and thereby ignore the rest of scripture. Your interpretation of John 15:6 is faulty, simply because you seem to be in denial of the greater context of scripture which makes known of a sovereign God who saves, justifies, sactifies and glorifies His own. We will have to just agree to diagree about John 15:6. As I have pointed out, those who are truly His, will remain,(meno), and He will lose none(John 6). I can not drive the point home any further.I do want to respond to your last statement on John 10:27.28 You mentioned that man was inserted, this I agree with you. The passage is also read no one. But you see, it makes no difference, the meaning of the text has not changed. No one, means, just that, no one or power or demon or anything will snatch His own out of His hand.Please pay attention to John 10:28.John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. The word never in the Greek is oo-may(G). It reads, nor ever, not at all,anywise. How much clearer can it be? If God's word, inspired and inerrant, says an emphatic NEVER,NOT AT ALL, then the only conclusion is that all that are His will never perish or lose their salvation. Well, we have gone around in circles and I ask that you ponder John 15:6, in light of the rest of scripture and in light of the character of God. I will leave you with some hermeneutical principles that will help with this issue and other issues that arise. 1) Interpret scripture with scripture. No scripture exist in a vacuum.There is a general principle of scripture called the perpiscuity of the word, it if clear and does not contradict itself Cor 14:33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 2)There is a general principle that the scriptures harmonize with each other. Why? because they are from God. There are no contradictions in scripture, paradoxes yes, difficulties yes, but no true contradictions 3)Be careful not to change the meaning of a word in mid sentence. See how it is used in the Greek and how it is used elsewhere. 4) Be careful not to read into the text something that is not there. 5) God calls us to worship Him with our heart, soul and mind. He calls us tor reason with the scriptures and to rightly divide the word of truth.Is 1:19,2Tim2:15. Scriptural logic is imperative for understanding God's word. I know our logic is not perfect because we are fallen creatures, but nevertheless the Word calls us to think. And this is not take away from the illumination principle which is the guide of the Holy Spirit.Mark 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' 4)Don't shy away from great bible teachers of the past. They have studied the scriptures and their imput, though not inspired, can shed light on difficult passages. Col 1:22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- In Christ, Brad |
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2 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89123 | ||
Your right Scripture does not exist in a vaccuum. Thats why I don't use John 15 only to support why I believe "once saved, always, saved" as many are teaching it these days is unBibical. we also have Scripture such as John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended (John 16:1) KJV I have said all this to you to keep you from falling away. (RSV) I HAVE told you all these things, so that you should not be offended (taken unawares and falter, or be caused to stumble and fall away). (AMP) I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. (ESV) These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. (NKJV) These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not lose faith. (21st Century King James Version) I have told you these things so that you will not turn back. (Worldwide English New Testament) I have told you this so that you will not give up your faith (TEV) 4624 skandalizo (skan-dal-id'-zo) ("scandalize") from 4625; TDNT - 7:339,1036; v AV - offend 28, make to offend 2; 30 1) to put a stumbling block or impediment in the way, upon which another may trip and fall, metaph. to offend 1a) to entice to sin 1b) to cause a person to begin to distrust and desert one whom he ought to trust and obey 1b1) to cause to fall away 1b2) to be offended in one, i.e. to see in another what I disapprove of and what hinders me from acknowledging his authority 1b3) to cause one to judge unfavourably or unjustly of another 1c) since one who stumbles or whose foot gets entangled feels annoyed 1c1) to cause one displeasure at a thing 1c2) to make indignant 1c3) to be displeased, indignant These things have I spoken. Particularly what is mentioned in the two last chapters. Be offended. “That ye should not be stumbled.” May not fall away from the faith, nor receive any injury to your souls, as that man does to his body who stumbles or falls over a stone or block in the way which he has not discovered. (from Adam Clarkes Commentary on John 16:1) and: Heb. 6:4-6 4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the land which hath drunk the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them for whose sake it is also tilled, receiveth blessing from God: 8 but if it beareth thorns and thistles, it is rejected and nigh unto a curse; whose end is to be burned. Heb. 6:4-8 ASV Love in Christ New Creature |
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