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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: One example of loosing salvation NT |
Bible Note: Part II Now back to the passages you site.These passages are either not dealing with salvation,eternal life, but rather with losing your salt and light towards others. And those who are truly His, as in John, if their faith is weak or they backslide they will be chastined by the Lord. The Lord chastens Whom He loves,Heb 12:6 FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES. No true child of God will lose erternal life. Consequences for disobedience, yes, loss of "rewards" at the judgement seat of Christ, yes. But none will face the great white throne judgement. They, by inheratance, imputation,substitution,sealing have Eternal Life. The other point behind htese verses is that they are actually making the case for eternal security. That is, if salvation could not be earned in the first place, neither could it be earned at any time,even if you could lose eternal life(which is not possible,see above). Your confusion, is in not understanding what Eternal Life is. The above passages are air tight and show that Eternal Life cannot be forfeited. 1) We have already gone over John 15:6. In light of the rest of scripture and God's coherency, those that never abide,were never in the promise of Eternal Life in the first place(see above). I have no problem with some who interpret this verse as those who have thir works burned up, such as the wood, hay, stubble, and thereby losing their salt and effectiveness in the world. But grant you, those that are His, will suffer loss,reward, blessing and be disciplined by the Lord. Eternal Life is not forfeited. 2) John 16:1. Since when does stumble,fall away, mean loss of Eternal Life? The passage does not say "be made to lose Eternal Life". The Greek word for offend is scandalidzo(G), where we get our word scandal. It means entrap,entice to sin. This same word is used by Jesus in the sermon on the Mount,Matt 5:29.If your right eye causes you to sin(stumble, offend, Strongs4624). And of course the whole point of the sermon on the mount is that we are sinners to the core and the bar of righteousness is so high that man cannot save himself, but needs the foreign righteousness of Christ(Phil 3, Romnas, Gal.)This verse has nothing to do with losing Eternal Life which is already possessed, promised,athoured,kept by our sovereign Triune God. If you go on to read John 16, you will see that Jesus is warning His own fop teh false teachers who will make them sumble, lose faith opr confidence in their work and thereby lose their salt and light in the world. But, what does He pormise them? A Helper, the Holy Spirit who will be their guide and comfort. We not only have the Holy Spirit, but also the Word to keep us from error.Part III to follow |