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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: One example of loosing salvation NT |
Bible Note: I asked for an example in new testement scripture you provided none. Salvation and rightiousness are by faith, and kept by faith thay are imputed and free gifts. Works does not get nor keep salvation. A lost person hears the word, believes in his hesrt and confesses the death burrial and resurection of Jesus Christ and becomes saved, born again. Hwe has passed from condemnation in his OLD condemned life in death to a new life in Christ, for Christ is our life, We get the fruit of faith and the gift of faith through him indewelling. Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. If christ lives in the believer, how can he possibly lose faith? We live by the faith of Christ. He is the believer in us. WE DO NOT SAVE OURSELVES BY OUR WORKS, CHRIST SAVES US AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SEALS US UNTILL THAT DAY! IT IS A FREE GIFT! Only a person who has believed in vain can forsake Christ:1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. If a person works for salvation he has fallen from grace:Click Verse for Commentary Notes Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. This does not mean you have become eternally condemned to hell it means his grace is shut off like a valve to be a living benefit to you, this explanes the lack of power and victory in the orginazed Church. I have an example of people who sined that were born again and died because of thier sin:Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. Does not say they went to HELL. And those people who do not confess thier sin before they take comunion they got sick and died, Does not say they went to hell. 1cor 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation (judgement or chastisement, not eternal damnation in hell) to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. love, Tim Let me know when you come up with that example of a person in the New Testment that was born again and got eternally damned to hell, would you please! |