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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: Can a believer lose his salvation? |
Bible Note: Note: I worried for a long time after becoming a Christian, as I found the Lord in a denomination that based it's foundations in guilt.. It was scary to me, that I could do something unconcsious that might "take my salvation" A pastor explained it so.... Romans 1: 18 - 21...where we are told that all of us are born with a knowledge of God,..Romans 9:14 where it says He will have compassion..etc. If you choose God, HE will have compassion on you and give you the gift of faith which is required to believe in the gospel. Also in Romans 8: 15 For you ) have not received a spirit of slavery, v38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord I read that you are not too crazy about Romans, and think that people are taking things out of context...here's Hebrews 11 for you: 14 For by one offering He has (29) perfected (30) for all time those who are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying, 17 "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." 18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin. Meaning that once you have been saved, there is nothing further that is necessary...either backwards or forwards. God has removed all stain, and remembers no more. It is the new Covenant. The Bible also says that when we stand before God, He alone will judge our actions after salvation...and we shall be rewarded accordingly. IF you act really bad, according to earthly judgment, then what? The Bible also says that if you commit one sin you commit them all. There's a mouthful - we are for instance commended NOT to even look upon something evil...as it is sin. If all sin is equal in the eyes of God, and we know this for the punishment for all sin is the same...then by just considering sin, is the same as doing it, plus all others. It took me awhile to get through that one. Still, for me, the verses that convinced me were in Romans...nothing can separate us from the love of God. If you go through the final chapters of the letters written by Paul to the churches, you will find in the last chapters, he names people who were in the faith who did some really nasty things to their brethren...Paul doesn't say "they're going to hell, they have lost their salvation" he says God will deal with them appropriately, and to avoid them until they smarten up. If we stick to that thinking however, Paul would never had found the Lord...Paul was Saul, a very scary guy who went around killing Christians prior to his conversion. If Anaias had not been obedient as well as Barnabas where would the church have been? Paul was a Pharisee. The Pharisees were the bunch who gave the law. Each group gave the law, and loved to debate it. If you want to know what they debated, get a copy of the Talmud in English, and read the Sanhedrin Tractate...it is interesting... Paul admitted to easily reverting back to his old way of thinking, and he finally wrote to the church, "just because we have been forgiven, and can repent, are we supposed to go on sinning just because we can?"..Paul also admitted to "slipping" when he writes to the church, " I do the things I don't want to do,...." So, if Paul could "burn the bisquit" so to speak, and still be such an instrument of God, how do you think you loose your salvation? Through disobedience? I don't think so. Take Abraham and Sarah, they are talked about in Hebrews 11. God promises them a son, when it's ridiculous to do so. They waited 10 years for this to come true...and took matters into their own hands, as they thought, maybe God meant this.. or that. Well, Hagar has a son, who becomes the father of the Arab world, and THEN Sarah has her baby boy. It must have been hell on wheels in that house.. Sarah sends Hagar and her boy to the desert to die. Die he did not, and the consequences of that disobedience by Abraham and Sarah are felt to this day. However, Abraham was still called a man of faith...and no one ever thought he lost his place with God. Talk about making a mess, with self will, or thinking we know the mind of God. I am convinced that we cannot loose our salvation. God says NOTHING can separate us from him...not even principalities...and that is pretty much the only way you would curse God, after knowing Him. How about where Peter disowns Jesus the night before the crucifixion? Jesus even predicted that Peter would do that...remember the rooster crowing three times? That's cursing God, and turning away from Him. It was not held against Peter, and he was a founder of the early church. I hope that helps for answering this question. It worked for me. Any comments? |