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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: Predetermined or Free Will |
Bible Note: Sorry, I thought I answered your questions. Please let me know what questions I haven't answered. By the way, I have posted may questions (and verses) asking how you would interpret them and have not received any answers. I do see that you are good at turning things around to fit what you want. Spiritually dead does not mean that a person cannot choose God. It simply means that that person is currently in a state that is not open to God. Take for example a "morally bankrupt" person or a person without morals. That doesn't mean that the person cannot choose to change his behavior to be a better person. The same goes for the Spiritally dead person. If that person hears about what Jesus can offer, they could choose to listen and believe. Yes, I'm fully aware of the meanings of "predestined" and "omniscience". I also understand that you are misapplying the term predestined to individuals being predestined rather than the correct interpretation that God's plan was predestined. The term "Elect" you mentioned somewhere is just another way of saying the believers. (today, we call them the "born-again" for example.) Also, I seriously looked into the Calvinistic belief and have talked with a "Calvinistic elder" at my church to try and see their views. Instead of just relying on what they said though, I researched the topic myself using the bible and the internet looking at it from various viewpoints (including that of the JW's). I'm sorry to say that I could not find a valid reason for interpreting the bible using the "Calvinistic Belief" or the JW's. |