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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: One example of loosing salvation NT |
Bible Note: New Creaure, The biblical support is abundant. We have shown you the passages and revealed the truth and the character of God. It will be the Holy spirit that will change your heart on the issue. But since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, lets, again deal with some of the passages,that I clearly believe and will show that you are clearly violating basic hermeneutical principles. First, lets deal with the verse that goes straight to the core of Gods's power to keep those who He has redeemed John 10:25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. John 10:26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. John 10:29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. Lets deal with verse 29. The proponents of eternal insecurity often say that NO ONE does not mean anyone. They of course read in to the scripture and say that it could be the person themselves that could take from God's hand. So I ask, why does the passage not say "no one can snatch them out My hands,except yourself" No one, means just that, no person. Here,the eternal insecurity folks are quilty of eisegesis. Reading in to the text something that is not there.They are also changing the meaning of a word, a common mistake/intent to make something say what it does not. Of course they also are ignoring the greater context of scripture, which I have already pointed out before, but you seem to ignore this. Lets now revisit John 15:6. John 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned Notice that it says if anyone does not abide in Me, not if anyone does abide and then not abide at the same time and in the same relationship. This is a descriptive passage, simply saying, if you are not in Christ or abiding in Him, you will not bear fruit. Why? because you are not His in the first place, you do not have the Son.1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. Now some in the eternal security camp will see this passage as a believer being pruned and being made fit for the masters use, much like those in Ezekiel 15:1-8. Now I dont hold this view, but it still makes more sense than the eternal insecurity camp,simply because of the greater context of scripture and again the character of God. It might be good for those who hold the eternal insecurity to do an exaustive study on the nature and character of God, this will shed light on this topic. Lets now turn again to Romans 8 and view it in light of its immediate context.Rom 8:15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" Paul is making it clear their is no condemnation for those who are in Christ and by adoption, which is irrevocable, we have been liberated from the bondage of sin. How miserable it must be if you believe you can lose your adoption and then be in bondage again. Now if we go further into Romans 8, we see Who is the one who calls? justifies? sanctifies?glorifies? For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; Rom 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. Why! it is God Himself. Will you accuse God of losing anything? So again, salvation is in view and the rest of the chapter goes on to say that nothing can seperate us fron this chain of love and redemption. I know you dont believe this, but I ask that you be honest with the context of scripture. We will also see that in Hebrews 13 and specificaly verse 5,Heb 13:5 Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, "I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU," So I ask, are you a new creature today or an old one? And if you have lost what you had, how do you suppose you will get it back? And how will you know you wont lose it again? Do you supply some virtue, some goodnes, some work that will re-justify you before a Holy and Righteouss God? You are forced to belive in works salvation and if that is the case, then no one would be saved. Romans 4, Titus 3:5, Eph 2:8-9. The biblical case is compelling and overwhelming that God saves and who He saves is secure for eternity in His hands. Here I stand, I can do nothing else. By His Grace, brad |