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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: One example of loosing salvation NT |
Bible Note: Doug I find it sad that you feel you need to bring in a rewards verse to attempt to alter the plain teaching of the verses in John 15 Lets look at John 15:1-6 John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman Jesus says He is the true vine, and He says His Father is the husbandman (or vine dresser) John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. In the above verse, you will find mentioned two types of branches. (1)It is mentioned of the first type of branch which is described in the above verse. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit. Take notice that it says "every branch IN me (in Jesus) that bears not fruit. These branches are IN Him (in Christ). If any man be in Christ he is a new creature (see 2 Cor. 5:17). But although this first type of branch is IN Him it is said of them they these are those which do not bear fruit. Remember however they are in Him. (2) The second type of branch mentioned in the same verse, are those which bear fruit, these branches are purged, meaning pruned, so that they may bring forth even more fruit. John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. Above is the command to remain (abide) in Him. There is no hope of bearing fruit unless you REMAIN in Him. Why the command to REMAIN or abide, then if there is no danger? John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing In the above verse again we see that they are told they must abide (REMAIN) in Him, and then we will bear fruit. Fruit is the product of us, the branches, abiding or REMAINING connected to Jesus our vine Jesus says He is the vine, and we are the branches which are connected to the vine (Jesus). Jesus says he that remains in Him, and He in him, speaking of a unilateral relationship between the believer and Himself, brings forth much fruit. Without remaining connected to the vine (Jesus) we cannot bear fruit. John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. In the above verse we see that if a MAN remain not in Him, HE is cast forth (meaning cut off)and HE becomes withered, and men gather them (the branches that do not bear fruit) and cast them (us the branches into the fire and they are burned) You cannot continue to take John 15 out of context to the extent you have been doing to attempt to support the unBibical teaching of "once saved, always saved" The verses in John deal with people who are called branches, and it is people, who get cut off and burned in the fire in this verse, not works or bad fruit. The verses you use to try to explain away or alter the text of John 15 do not in any way work. There are plently of over verses in Scripture that you could better use to attempt to support the false teaching of "once saved, always,saved" other than 1 Cor. 3:11-15. Actually if you continue to read where you left off in 1 Cor. Chapter 3 you will find the following text. 1 Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are So why did you stop at verse 15? Love in Christ New Creature |