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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: One example of loosing salvation NT |
Bible Note: Hank You say I must be advocating salvation by works. Scripture plainly says "faith without works is dead" James 2:17,20 Where faith is present, works must also be present. Secondly the fact the new life is called "eternal" does not guarantee that it can or cannot be forfeited. "The fact life is "eternal" does not prove we cannot lose it. "Eternal" describes the nature of the life. It has nothing to do with whether it can or cannot be lost. "One of the most commonly presented arguments given in defense of the teaching of "once saved always saved" goes like this: When one gets saved, he receives eternal life. If that life could be lost, it wouldn't be eternal! Therefore, once a person is saved, he is always saved. Eternal life was eternal even before a saved person ever possessed it. Does it not follow then, that eternal life will still remain eternal, even if one doesn't continue to possess it?" "hath everlasting life" John 5:24 is in the present tense. I don't see this as speaking in the future tense Concerning John 10:27-30 see my replys to others concerning that text. Same with Rom. 8:31-39. Concerning Eph. 4:30 Why the admonition to "grieve not the Holy Spirit" if their is no danger? I can probably guess the answer to that. I have heard it all before. "We are never in danger of losing salvation, but you can lose rewards" I don't see support for that line of thinking either. Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them. Yes He truly is able. Ability does not mean absolutely will. Once saved does God turn you into a robot? I have heard the answer to that to. You will probably say. "No, but God creates the desire to not go astray" That however doesn't answer the question about those who have departed from the faith. I know people that once had a zeal for the Lord and loved God's people, and by any evidence given were at one time truly saved. Some became Bible teachers and were in positions of leadership. They no longer have any desire or hunger to serve God. I have a neighbor who God at one time used to lead others to Christ. He also no longer attends church, and He refuses to even talk about spiritual matters any longer. Many people like this fall through the cracks, without notice to many. Then people excuse them by saying, "they were never really saved to begin with" Hogwash! That in my opinion is an excuse church people use to protect their revered "once saved, always saved" teaching. Without ever really getting to the truth of the matter. So Scripture plus experience tell me that "once saved, always saved" is simply UnBibical. I remain unconvinced by the arguments I have seen so far. There are plently of other born-again Christians who also disagree with the "once saved, always saved" teaching of the day as is presented by many. Someone once said: "In every generation the majority of people are probably wrong" If "once saved, always saved" is true, why does God's word say John 15:6 If a man abide (Greek meno meaning remain) not in me, he is cast forth (cut off in some versions) as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Give me solid Bibical proof. Still waiting New Creature |