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NASB | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 8:13 "Those on the rocky soil are the people who, when they hear, receive and welcome the word with joy; but these have no firmly grounded root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation they fall away [from Me and abandon their faith]. |
Subject: One example of loosing salvation NT |
Bible Note: New Creature, As I have pointed out, you seem to think that John 15:6 exist in a vacuum and thereby ignore the rest of scripture. Your interpretation of John 15:6 is faulty, simply because you seem to be in denial of the greater context of scripture which makes known of a sovereign God who saves, justifies, sactifies and glorifies His own. We will have to just agree to diagree about John 15:6. As I have pointed out, those who are truly His, will remain,(meno), and He will lose none(John 6). I can not drive the point home any further.I do want to respond to your last statement on John 10:27.28 You mentioned that man was inserted, this I agree with you. The passage is also read no one. But you see, it makes no difference, the meaning of the text has not changed. No one, means, just that, no one or power or demon or anything will snatch His own out of His hand.Please pay attention to John 10:28.John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. The word never in the Greek is oo-may(G). It reads, nor ever, not at all,anywise. How much clearer can it be? If God's word, inspired and inerrant, says an emphatic NEVER,NOT AT ALL, then the only conclusion is that all that are His will never perish or lose their salvation. Well, we have gone around in circles and I ask that you ponder John 15:6, in light of the rest of scripture and in light of the character of God. I will leave you with some hermeneutical principles that will help with this issue and other issues that arise. 1) Interpret scripture with scripture. No scripture exist in a vacuum.There is a general principle of scripture called the perpiscuity of the word, it if clear and does not contradict itself Cor 14:33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 2)There is a general principle that the scriptures harmonize with each other. Why? because they are from God. There are no contradictions in scripture, paradoxes yes, difficulties yes, but no true contradictions 3)Be careful not to change the meaning of a word in mid sentence. See how it is used in the Greek and how it is used elsewhere. 4) Be careful not to read into the text something that is not there. 5) God calls us to worship Him with our heart, soul and mind. He calls us tor reason with the scriptures and to rightly divide the word of truth.Is 1:19,2Tim2:15. Scriptural logic is imperative for understanding God's word. I know our logic is not perfect because we are fallen creatures, but nevertheless the Word calls us to think. And this is not take away from the illumination principle which is the guide of the Holy Spirit.Mark 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' 4)Don't shy away from great bible teachers of the past. They have studied the scriptures and their imput, though not inspired, can shed light on difficult passages. Col 1:22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- In Christ, Brad |