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1 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | bjanko | 460 | ||
You wrote: '3: To renounce your salvation would be to turn your back on God, to no longer believe or accept his Gift. To no longer follow the teachings of Christ. Granted, you could always say that person wasn't really saved then. But then what would you say would have happened to that person if they died prior to that drastic change?' My reply: Since they were never saved to begin with, then they would have gone to hell. You wrote: 'And if you say that the person must not have been chosen by God to be saved and was only fooling themselves when they truely believed in Christ and thought they were saved -- ' Me: That's not what I'm saying; that's what the Bible says. You cont'd: ' -- then can you say for sure that anyone is saved?' My reply: No. Of course not. How can I tell if you are saved or if someone else is saved? Am I God? It would be quite presumptuous for anyone to claim he could tell if someone is saved or not, don't you think? You wrote: 'Did Jesus die for everyone or just for a select few?' My reply: He obviously died for only a select few. In Romans 9, Paul calls them "the elect." If God HAD died for everybody, then everybody would be saved. Do you really think that people whom God has decided to save can resist His will? Do you put mere man on the same level as God? You wrote: 'I can show you several versus that show that He died for all, can you show one that says otherwise?' My reply: Although I have shown you several, you do not seem interested in what they say. Again, a mere smattering a verses (not versus) means nothing if you do not take the whole of Scripture into account in interpreting them. You wrote: 'Then if Jesus did die for all, how could there be some that God predetermined not to be save?' My reply: Indeed, you finally understand me. If Jesus died for all, then all would surely, without question, be saved, for Jesus' blood is in no way ineffectual. However, all are NOT saved; therefore, Jesus did NOT die for all, but only for His people, only for the elect. |
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2 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | geoffc | 2279 | ||
for a thorough examination of this subject please check out Dan Corner's page at www.evangelicaloutreach.org I am more than convinced that a believer can lose their salvation. I'll have more to say later in the week. |
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3 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | bjanko | 2284 | ||
No need to bother explaining it later in the week. I'm sure that if you are more than convinced, it must be true. |
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4 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Searcher56 | 175087 | ||
This issue has been debated too many times ... read all the posts on all sides by using the Search window. Please don't continue this thread. | ||||||