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1 | Can a believer lose his salvation? | Luke 8:13 | userdoe220 | 9712 | ||
When I got saved in 1988 I did not grow up in church and for the first 6 months did not attend a church anywhere (I am not condoning this, just stating the facts). I read through the entire N.T. twice during this period and never once got the idea that once we were saved we were "always saved." I read the Bible without any pre-concieved ideas (No Charles Stanley this is how you should interpret verses that contradict how I believe manuals). In fact (show you how niave I was), I believe every Christian believed that you could walk away from your faith. I mean if Paul felt he could and the author of Hebrews I felt I was in good company. Well, finally I became gainfully employed at McDonalds (I was 16 at the time) and ran across my first "Once saved always saved" believer. He was married, cheating on his wife, smoked like a race horse and drank profusely. I began to share with him the salvation message with him and he told me he was saved! I said, "You must be crazy to think you are saved living like that!" after the, "Judge not lest you be judged" passage was quoted, he began to tell me that his pastor told him he was saved because he went down the isle when he was 12 (the age of accountability) and was baptized later that year. I told him that he needed to go to a Bible-Believing church and not get wrapped up in some cult (again, I don't believe you are a cult, this is the way I saw things back than.). I thought his church was completly false and his pastor was way off base. After all, how could someone read the Bible (the 1st year I was saved I read the entire Bible 2x and a number of books in the N.T. more than 3x) and come to that crazy conclusion. Since that expereince, I have ran into many people who believe that once you are saved you are always saved (and please spare me the "he did not truly understand the 5 points of calvanism and he was never truly saved to begin with...") I have read a number of books on this topic from the other perspective: So Great a Salvation, Ryrie Systematic Theology, Wayne Gruden. Systematic Theology, Hodge Chosen but Free, Geisler (at least he admits to a problem with calvanistic theology. His book tries to wed the two concepts.) Countless commentaries that mangle the plain meaning of a text to force a passage into thier belief system! and will admit that there are a couple(emphasis) passages of scripture I have to scratch my head on and leave it to the Lord: Jn 6 and Rom 8. The other worn out passages are easily explained by context. Over my studies I have ran across more than two scriptures with very little explanation offered by my opponants on this matter: Galatians 1:6-8 Heb 10:26-31 Heb 6:4-6 II Pet 2:20-22 Mt 10:22 Mt 13:21 Rom 11:20-23 II Pet 2:15 Jude 21 Heb 3:6 I Tim 4:1 And I could go on, and on and on. These are passages, unaided from some commentary trying to tell me what they should say, that I beleive firmly debunks once saved always saved. |
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2 | Can a believer lose his salvation? | Luke 8:13 | S.W | 152728 | ||
userdoe220: I'm sorry to say that I really can't recall the voice and attitude of Jesus, nor the new testament teachers, in the OSAS professer's claims. Where can you find the same attitude as in the following verses in their claims? Lk 3:8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, "We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones." Or if it would have been written in our times: Lk 3:8 (Paraphrase) "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, "We have 'truly been born again'.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones." Acts 24:16: "This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men." Should'nt we all have the same striving? Phil 1:9-11: And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, 10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, 11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God. Should we or should we not "be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ"? 1 Thess 5:23: "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." Is Paul just boxing in the air or is he serious? Should we or should we not be "preserved blameless"? May the power of grace be with you in holiness in Jesus name! |
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