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1 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | nivlac5 | 89382 | ||
PartIII3) We have already dealt with Heb 6. I will only say that we need to understand this passage in light of the rest of scripture and its immediate adn historical background. A common problem as you know, was the Jewish Christians falling back into the old sacrifices and Jewish law and thereby imposing this type of legalism on others(see Gal)Paul is simply saying here that if it were possible to fall away and since the dead works and dead faith did not justify anyone before the cross, they certainly could not renew themselves to repentance again after the cross, since they cruicify Christ all over again. Christ died once and for all and declared us not guilty forever. That means all sin has been paid for, past, present and future. The cry "tetelesti" means, paid in full. And again, please note in Heb. 6:9, Paul goes on to say that he is confident that this could never happen to those who have already been saved. Verses 13-20, make it clear that God's promise of Eternal Life are sure. Also see Heb 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. I would like to direct you to Luke 8:22-25. Luke 8:22 Now on one of those days Jesus and His disciples got into a boat, and He said to them, "Let us go over to the other side of the lake." So they launched out. Luke 8:23 But as they were sailing along He fell asleep; and a fierce gale of wind descended on the lake, and they began to be swamped and to be in danger. Luke 8:24 They came to Jesus and woke Him up, saying, "Master, Master, we are perishing!" And He got up and rebuked the wind and the surging waves, and they stopped, and it became calm. Luke 8:25 And He said to them, "Where is your faith?" They were fearful and amazed, saying to one another, "Who then is this, that He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey Him?" Notice that Jesus rebukes them for their little faith or lack of trust in Him. Now, to not trust and believe His word, is sin, and if you hold to eternal insecurity, you could be saved and unsaved 100 times a minute. By this type of thinking you impugn God and call Him a liar. The confindence is in the flesh and the flesh profits nothingJohn 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. 4) Finally, I want to stress, that I write to you not to argue, but to understand the blessing, joy and comfort of knowing the God of the bible. The Triune God who's promises are irrevocable and Who's work will be accomplished. What hope do we have unless it is in Christ? I do not believe this is a secondary issue. Those who teach a doctrine of eternal insecurity are misguiding the flock at best and preach heresy at worst. Christ calls us to make our election sure 2Peter2:10 Pet 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble . The joy and blessing is that we can be sure or our redemption because we can trust in the abundance of scriptures that point to Christ as being our righteousness adn perfector of our faith. Eternaly secure in His hands, Brad |
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2 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89400 | ||
Please note that in Heb. 6:4-6 the more correct reading is: For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. (Heb. 6:4-6 NASB) The objector will frequently make much of the word IF found in verse six, and say that he is only speaking hypothetically. "He is only saying 'if' he falls away which really can't happen." From what I understand the word "if" was inserted into the King James Translation by a person named Theodore Beza who was a disciple of John Calvin, and there is no justification for it whatsoever in the Greek. kai does not introduce a condition clause. The reason why there is an ?if? there is due to the fact that many interpret the participle, to be a conditional participle. What it literally says is, and having fallen away.? Daniel Wallace comments on this in his Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics (ISBN: 0310218950) page 633: Parapesontas is often construed as conditional (a tradition found in the KJV and repeated in most modern translations and by many commentators). But this is unwarranted. The construction of vv 4-6 approximates a Granville Sharp plural construction (the only difference being that with the second participle in the construction, geusamenou in v 4, the conjunction te is used instead of kai: tous fotisthentas geusamenou te kai metocous genhthevntas kai geusamenous kai parape-sontas). If this participle should be taken adverbially, then should we not take the preceding two or three participles the same way? The inconsistency has little basis. Instead, parapesontas should be taken as adjectival, thus making a further and essential qualification of the entire group. A better translation, then, is "It is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened and have fallen away." Further more; there is no conditional participle present in the Greek text to support any claims that the word “if” in Heb. 6:6 was in the original text. The writer in Hebrews simply says to us …. kai parapesontas – “and they have fallen away” (second aorist active participle). The Greek conjunction “kai” usually means “and” has an adversative force here, meaning and yet. The writer is saying “they had all these blessings and yet in spite of all this, they have still fallen away” (A.T. Robertson) The NEB translates the phrase, “and after all this” There is nothing in either the language or the context to indicate that the instances of apostasy cited in Heb. 6:4-6 are only hypothetical. Those who hold to the unconditional eternal security position take this text to say that “this is not a warning of apostasy, but rather a warning against imagining that apostasy is possible.” Their reasoning comes from Paul’s statement “But beloved, we are persuaded better things of you.” They fail to reckon with the transition from the third person (those, they, and them) in verses 4-6 to the second person (you) in verse 9. The writer is persuaded of better things for “you” not “them” Also Some have tried to soften the meaning of Heb. 6:4-6 by saying that the writer is speaking in an exaggerated tone, and that “impossible” really means “very difficult” However there is no hint that this is so. In fact, every other occurrence of “impossible” in Hebrews could not possibly mean “very difficult” Heb. 6:18 states that “it is impossible for God to lie” In Heb 10:14 the removal of sin by the blood of bulls and goats is said to be impossible In Heb. 11:6 “without faith it is impossible to please God. Therefore “impossible” could not be intended to mean “very difficult” I hope you will prayerfully read the text from the NASB and consider the above comments concerning Heb. 6:4-6 In His service New Creature |
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3 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | nivlac5 | 89404 | ||
New Creature, Well I see that you are good at cutting and pasting others erroneous theological constructs. After all, they are just poor contextual exegesis by MEN. This of course is same accussation you make of my scriptural support. The Ezekiel passage applies similiarly to the John 15. I know you don't see this. It is possible that only those who God actually called and regenerated are the ones who have eternal security. We will just have to agree to disagree and pray that God will reveal His Grace to you. May you be found in His righteousness and not in the filthy rags of man's own self righteousness. By His Grace, brad | ||||||
4 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89412 | ||
Sure I can agree to disagree. May the Holy Spirit be your guide as you study God's written word, and help you to be open and teachable. Keep your eyes on Jesus In His service New Creature |
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