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1 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89299 | ||
nivlac5 I am just now getting around to responding to the flood of replys I have had on the topic of "once saved, always saved." Let me just breifly say that my opinions concerning this topic, are formed by God's word, not man's opinions, or denominational slants or bias. God's word plainly says: For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. (Heb. 6:4-6 NASB) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (Heb. 3:12) If a man abide not me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:6) Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. many who embrace "once saved, always saved, often skip over such Scriptures when teaching or while spending personal time in the Bible because such do not fit (or better yet, cannot fit) into their theology and, therefore, they simply do not know what to do with these awkward passages. They are thrown into a temporary state of confusion when confronted with them! In His service New Creature |
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2 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | nivlac5 | 89381 | ||
Part II Now back to the passages you site.These passages are either not dealing with salvation,eternal life, but rather with losing your salt and light towards others. And those who are truly His, as in John, if their faith is weak or they backslide they will be chastined by the Lord. The Lord chastens Whom He loves,Heb 12:6 FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES. No true child of God will lose erternal life. Consequences for disobedience, yes, loss of "rewards" at the judgement seat of Christ, yes. But none will face the great white throne judgement. They, by inheratance, imputation,substitution,sealing have Eternal Life. The other point behind htese verses is that they are actually making the case for eternal security. That is, if salvation could not be earned in the first place, neither could it be earned at any time,even if you could lose eternal life(which is not possible,see above). Your confusion, is in not understanding what Eternal Life is. The above passages are air tight and show that Eternal Life cannot be forfeited. 1) We have already gone over John 15:6. In light of the rest of scripture and God's coherency, those that never abide,were never in the promise of Eternal Life in the first place(see above). I have no problem with some who interpret this verse as those who have thir works burned up, such as the wood, hay, stubble, and thereby losing their salt and effectiveness in the world. But grant you, those that are His, will suffer loss,reward, blessing and be disciplined by the Lord. Eternal Life is not forfeited. 2) John 16:1. Since when does stumble,fall away, mean loss of Eternal Life? The passage does not say "be made to lose Eternal Life". The Greek word for offend is scandalidzo(G), where we get our word scandal. It means entrap,entice to sin. This same word is used by Jesus in the sermon on the Mount,Matt 5:29.If your right eye causes you to sin(stumble, offend, Strongs4624). And of course the whole point of the sermon on the mount is that we are sinners to the core and the bar of righteousness is so high that man cannot save himself, but needs the foreign righteousness of Christ(Phil 3, Romnas, Gal.)This verse has nothing to do with losing Eternal Life which is already possessed, promised,athoured,kept by our sovereign Triune God. If you go on to read John 16, you will see that Jesus is warning His own fop teh false teachers who will make them sumble, lose faith opr confidence in their work and thereby lose their salt and light in the world. But, what does He pormise them? A Helper, the Holy Spirit who will be their guide and comfort. We not only have the Holy Spirit, but also the Word to keep us from error.Part III to follow |
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3 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89395 | ||
you state that I must not understand what Eternal life is. The fact life is "eternal" does not prove we cannot lose it. "Eternal" describes the nature of the life. It has nothing to do with whether it can or cannot be lost. One of the most commonly presented arguments given in defense of the teaching of "once saved always saved" goes like this: When one gets saved, he receives eternal life. If that life could be lost, it wouldn't be eternal! Therefore, once a person is saved, he is always eternal life was eternal even before a saved person ever possessed it. Does it not follow then, that eternal life will still remain eternal, even if one doesn't continue to possess it. “Proponents who deny that salvation can never be lost, reason on the subject in a marvelous way. They tell us, that no virgin's lamp can go out; (Matt. 25:8) that no promising harvest be chocked with thorns; (Matt. 13:22) no branch in Christ can ever be cut off from fruitfulness; (John 15:6) that no name blotted out of God's book! (Rev. 3:5) They insist that no salt can ever lose its savor; (mat 5:13) that nobody can ever "receive the grace of God in vain"; (2 Cor. 6:1) bury his talents' (Matt. 25:25) "neglect such great salvation"; (Heb. 2:3) "look back" after putting his hand to the plow. (Luke 9:62) That Nobody can "grieve the Spirit" (Eph 4:30) till He is "quenched," (1 Thess. 5:19) nor "deny the Lord that bought them" nor "bring upon themselves swift destruction." 2 Pet. 2:1 That Nobody, or body of believers, can ever get so lukewarm that Jesus will spew them out of His mouth. Rev 3:16 They use reams of paper to argue that if one ever got lost he was never found; that if one falls, he never stood. If one was ever cast forth, he was never in and if one ever withered, (John 15:6) he was never green. And that if one draws back, (Heb 10:38) he never had anything to draw back from. That if one ever falls into spiritual darkness, he was never enlightened; that if you again get entangled in the pollutions of the world, (2 Pet. 2:20-22) it shows that you never escaped. That if you put salvation away, you never had it to put away, and if you make shipwreck of your faith, (1 Tim. 1:19-20) there was no ship of faith there. In short they say: If you get it, you can't lose it: and if you lose it you never had it. May God save us from accepting a doctrine, that must be defended by such fallacious reasoning.” (John Wesley) If you want unconditional eternal security, you can have it. It is in Christ, on a day by day, moment by moment basis. Because of what Scripture say, I personally believe that; "Once saved, always saved" is a false gospel and counterfeit grace message built upon partial truths presented as the whole truth. In His service New creature |
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