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1 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88938 | ||
Hank You say I must be advocating salvation by works. Scripture plainly says "faith without works is dead" James 2:17,20 Where faith is present, works must also be present. Secondly the fact the new life is called "eternal" does not guarantee that it can or cannot be forfeited. "The fact life is "eternal" does not prove we cannot lose it. "Eternal" describes the nature of the life. It has nothing to do with whether it can or cannot be lost. "One of the most commonly presented arguments given in defense of the teaching of "once saved always saved" goes like this: When one gets saved, he receives eternal life. If that life could be lost, it wouldn't be eternal! Therefore, once a person is saved, he is always saved. Eternal life was eternal even before a saved person ever possessed it. Does it not follow then, that eternal life will still remain eternal, even if one doesn't continue to possess it?" "hath everlasting life" John 5:24 is in the present tense. I don't see this as speaking in the future tense Concerning John 10:27-30 see my replys to others concerning that text. Same with Rom. 8:31-39. Concerning Eph. 4:30 Why the admonition to "grieve not the Holy Spirit" if their is no danger? I can probably guess the answer to that. I have heard it all before. "We are never in danger of losing salvation, but you can lose rewards" I don't see support for that line of thinking either. Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them. Yes He truly is able. Ability does not mean absolutely will. Once saved does God turn you into a robot? I have heard the answer to that to. You will probably say. "No, but God creates the desire to not go astray" That however doesn't answer the question about those who have departed from the faith. I know people that once had a zeal for the Lord and loved God's people, and by any evidence given were at one time truly saved. Some became Bible teachers and were in positions of leadership. They no longer have any desire or hunger to serve God. I have a neighbor who God at one time used to lead others to Christ. He also no longer attends church, and He refuses to even talk about spiritual matters any longer. Many people like this fall through the cracks, without notice to many. Then people excuse them by saying, "they were never really saved to begin with" Hogwash! That in my opinion is an excuse church people use to protect their revered "once saved, always saved" teaching. Without ever really getting to the truth of the matter. So Scripture plus experience tell me that "once saved, always saved" is simply UnBibical. I remain unconvinced by the arguments I have seen so far. There are plently of other born-again Christians who also disagree with the "once saved, always saved" teaching of the day as is presented by many. Someone once said: "In every generation the majority of people are probably wrong" If "once saved, always saved" is true, why does God's word say John 15:6 If a man abide (Greek meno meaning remain) not in me, he is cast forth (cut off in some versions) as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Give me solid Bibical proof. Still waiting New Creature |
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2 | Where did your faith come from? | Luke 8:13 | ne14pool | 88960 | ||
Hello New Creature, I was curious as to where you believe your faith in Christ came from? Is it your own faith you mustered up with God's help or was it given to you as a gift from God (Eph 2:8-9) Was it granted (given as a gift of God's grace) to you? (Phil 1:29) Just curious where you feel your faith comes from? Remember what Paul says in 1 Cor 4:7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? (NIV) Then also recall what it says in James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. (NIV) If faith is a gift of God, then it came from Him. So I would be interested to know where you believe your faith came from? Now if you agree it was a act of God's grace to give you faith, by that faith God delivered to you his grace. Then our faith was the work of God and that can not fail. Since he is the author and finisher of our faith? He started the book of faith in our lives and he will finish it! Now if we did not do anything to earn this faith, then we can do nothing to lose it. But if we truely possess this saving faith, then how could we possibly do anything to lose it, when we did nothing to gain it? In Christ...Doug |
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3 | Where did your faith come from? | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88963 | ||
God authored and initiated my salvation. Being born-again was not something I being a spiritually dead person could do. A corpse cannot raise itself to life either physically or spiritually. So give God all the credit. I agree grace is unmerited, unearned, and undeserved. That still does not address the question of whether or not salvation can ever be forfeited. Like all free gifts, they can be refused, or thrown away. Thanks anyway I still remain unconvinced New Creature |
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4 | What do you mean by "initiated"? | Luke 8:13 | ne14pool | 89020 | ||
New Creature, You said, "God authored and initiated your salvation". What do you mean that He "initiated" your salvation? Webster defines initiated as, to cause or facilitate the beginning of. Hebrews 12:2 tells us that Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, NOT the author and initiator of our faith. The actual greek work for finisher carries with it the meaning "completer". Then Jonah 2:9 tells us that Salvation is of the Lord? Then in John 6:37, Jesus said, "All that the Father gives me will come to me.." It doesn't say, "All the Father gives me will come to me if they decide in their own freewill to come to me, after God has initiated their faith. If that were the case then we would have something to boast about before God. We then could say to God when we meet him face to face, well you know God, I could have rejected you like my non-believing neighbor did, but I accepted you. Once again who made you different from the non-believer? Wasn't it God who opened your eyes and began and is finishing the work of faith in you. No where does scripture say that he grants faith to every person. God gives the gift of faith to only those that were given to Him by the Father. All that were given this faith WILL come to Him. Now if God is the author and finisher of our faith, then to say that someone could leave the faith is to say God didn't finish the work of faith begun in that person. That goes directly against Hebrew 12:2. How can you argue against Hebrews 12:2? How can you agrue against John 10:28-29 Where Jesus said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. You see, those GIVEN to Jesus can not perish, or be snatched out of Jesus hand, or snatched from the Father's hand. All the Father gives Jesus WILL come to Him. They will never be taken from Him, they are given ETERNAL life! Sorry I get very excited about this. It is an awesome comfort to know that I am Eternally secure. I pray that God will grant you that same comfort! For I know that it is not I or any other man that can "convince" you of that salvation can NOT be forfeited. But it will be the Holy Spirit of God that will convince you using his Word. I am certain that if you would go back and review all the scripture references and the points that many have so clearly provided to you and you prayed that God would open your eyes to what is true about eternal security, then I believe God will open your eyes to this wonderful truth! The truth will then set you free from the fear of losing your salvation. Secure in Christ...Doug |
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5 | What do you mean by "initiated"? | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89027 | ||
Doug I pretty much agree with your interpretation of the verses you provided. What I would like for you and others to do for me is this. If "once saved, always saved is true, then why does God's wriitten word say in; John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. New Creature |
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