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1 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | John Reformed | 88871 | ||
Dear New Creature, It is beyond my ability to convince anyone of anything. All I can do is try to point to, what I believe, are scriptural evidences. It is true that I also seek to use whatever reasoning the Lord has blessed me with, to insure that what I believe is in harmony with the rest of Scripture. Frankly, I believe that the Bible clearly teaches that God always succeeds in everything which He sets to do. Is 46:10-12 "Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it. "Listen to Me, you stubborn-minded, Who are far from righteousness..." I believe that this verse (among many others that speak of God's power and eternal purpose) is foundational for correct interpretation of the rest of Scripture. He says that He declares "the end from the beginning,"; 'My purpose will be established,"And I will accomplish all My good pleasure" Therefore, for one to say that God All-Mighty fails to save (and keep saved) those whom He has given to His Son is to deny what Isa 46:10 teaches us about the nature of God Himself. Show me where I am wrong and I promise to re-examine my belief. God Bless, John Reformed |
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2 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88920 | ||
John Let me be brief and simply say, God keeps all His promises, none of them ever fail However man makes promises, and man brakes his promises. A man may vow to remain faithful, and then fail to keep his oath or promise. Just because a man fails to remain (Greek meno) abide in Him, in no way means that God ever fails. It simply means man has failed to remain connected to the vine. See John 15:6 New Creature |
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3 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | Joseph3 | 88927 | ||
Dear New Creature: I find it interesting that you seem to be arguing that God makes a promise, and fulfills that promise, yet at the same time He simply cannot keep it because a sinful human can do the same thing! God is GOD!!! He is holy and perfect!! Man is fallen and sinful and wretched!! Man is unholy and is a liar!! When God says He is going to do something, and I mean DO, not simply hope His promise will come true, it WILL happen. If He states that He cannot lose any that are in Christ, then NONE will be lost! The will of man is not on par with the will of God, simply put. I am amazed at your lack of reverence for the Holy will of God, and for your amazingly high view of human will and ability, especially when the bible does not paint humanity in a good light (Rom. 1-3). The reason for this statement is because over the past few days, many of us in this forum have spent time and effort laying out Scripture simply to show you the majesty and power of the one true holy God. Yet, you still continue to hold onto this notion that the will of man can trump God’s eternal promise to His Son (Titus 1:1-3). I feel as though you have ignored many of the arguments made by John Reformed, Radioman2 and myself concerning this topic. Please, prayerfully consider what we have wrote, and please respond to ALL of our arguments, don’t pick and choose what you want to hear from us, and only respond to parts of what we have said. Please take what we have all said as a whole and consider them. I submit this with brotherly love and concern. In Christ, Joe |
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4 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88932 | ||
Joe I am doing the best I can to respond to all comments, and have read every word in very response. And I still see "once saved, always saved" as an UnBibical teaching that cannot be supported. As I told John, and as I will tell you as well. I believe we are brothers in Christ, even if we do not see eye to eye on this topic. Convince me from Scripture that "once saved, always saved" is absolutely Bibical and then I will believe it. As yet no one has given me ample proof or argument to prove the Bibicalness of such a teaching But don't give up on me. Convince me from Scripture New Creature |
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5 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | Hank | 88936 | ||
New Creature: I won't try to convince your from Scripture on the issue of the eternal security of the believer because, for starters, I have no idea of what kind of "convincing" you are looking for. What I hope to accomplish in this post is to present the biblical view of what eternal life means and let you take it from there. ... Throughout the New Testament when the new life in Christ Jesus is mentioned, it ALWAYS, without exception, either states explicitly or strongly implies that the new life in Christ is eternal life. Let's look at the most familiar verse in the Bible, John 3:16. It ends with the words, "...shall not perish but have eternal life." Consider the sheer number of references in the New Testament to the kind of life that Jesus gives His followers. God's eternal life is freely given by His grace. It in no wise depends one iota on how righteous we THINK we are or on how unrighteous our neighbors KNOW we are :-) We don't receive eternal life by our good works and it's equally certain we don't hold on to it by them either. What you are advocating is salvation by works, whether you are disposed to admit it or not. You may even say, "I believe we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, but we must maintain our salvation by our good works." If one espouses this belief, he must also conclude that since good works maintain salvation, conversely evil works will destroy it. This is tantamount to saying that God has the power to save but He doesn't have the power to hold those whom He saves. When we say that Satan has the power to snatch the redeemed out of the sheepfold of Christ, we are ascribing more power to Satan than we are to Christ. Some biblical passages that teach that all the redeemed once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever are as follows: John 5:24; 6:37-40; 10:27-30; Romans 5:9,10; 8:1, 31-39; 1 Corinthians 1:4-9; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 7:25; 13:5; 1 Peter 1:4,5; Jude 24. ..... The problem with your position is that it allows for man to have a determining and decisive part in his salvation, a concept that the Bible never teaches. From Alpha to Omega, salvation is of God. He alone is sovereign, He alone saves, He alone keeps His flock secure for all eternity. --Hank | ||||||
6 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88938 | ||
Hank You say I must be advocating salvation by works. Scripture plainly says "faith without works is dead" James 2:17,20 Where faith is present, works must also be present. Secondly the fact the new life is called "eternal" does not guarantee that it can or cannot be forfeited. "The fact life is "eternal" does not prove we cannot lose it. "Eternal" describes the nature of the life. It has nothing to do with whether it can or cannot be lost. "One of the most commonly presented arguments given in defense of the teaching of "once saved always saved" goes like this: When one gets saved, he receives eternal life. If that life could be lost, it wouldn't be eternal! Therefore, once a person is saved, he is always saved. Eternal life was eternal even before a saved person ever possessed it. Does it not follow then, that eternal life will still remain eternal, even if one doesn't continue to possess it?" "hath everlasting life" John 5:24 is in the present tense. I don't see this as speaking in the future tense Concerning John 10:27-30 see my replys to others concerning that text. Same with Rom. 8:31-39. Concerning Eph. 4:30 Why the admonition to "grieve not the Holy Spirit" if their is no danger? I can probably guess the answer to that. I have heard it all before. "We are never in danger of losing salvation, but you can lose rewards" I don't see support for that line of thinking either. Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them. Yes He truly is able. Ability does not mean absolutely will. Once saved does God turn you into a robot? I have heard the answer to that to. You will probably say. "No, but God creates the desire to not go astray" That however doesn't answer the question about those who have departed from the faith. I know people that once had a zeal for the Lord and loved God's people, and by any evidence given were at one time truly saved. Some became Bible teachers and were in positions of leadership. They no longer have any desire or hunger to serve God. I have a neighbor who God at one time used to lead others to Christ. He also no longer attends church, and He refuses to even talk about spiritual matters any longer. Many people like this fall through the cracks, without notice to many. Then people excuse them by saying, "they were never really saved to begin with" Hogwash! That in my opinion is an excuse church people use to protect their revered "once saved, always saved" teaching. Without ever really getting to the truth of the matter. So Scripture plus experience tell me that "once saved, always saved" is simply UnBibical. I remain unconvinced by the arguments I have seen so far. There are plently of other born-again Christians who also disagree with the "once saved, always saved" teaching of the day as is presented by many. Someone once said: "In every generation the majority of people are probably wrong" If "once saved, always saved" is true, why does God's word say John 15:6 If a man abide (Greek meno meaning remain) not in me, he is cast forth (cut off in some versions) as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Give me solid Bibical proof. Still waiting New Creature |
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7 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | Hank | 88939 | ||
New Creature: I have two comments, one a question and the other a statement. First, the question: What is your definition of eternal? Second, the statement. Both I and many of my friends on the forum have given you solid biblical proof of the eternal security of the believer, yet you continue to say you're still waiting. We could toss all 66 books in your face and I suppose you'd still want more. Under these conditions, I have no desire to coddle to your continued requests for more "solid biblical proof." It's obvious that a ton of it would not do any good. --Hank | ||||||
8 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88961 | ||
Hank Again "eternal" describes the nature of the life which those who ENDURE till the end shall receive, once they have persevered. You also say you and others have offered solid Bibical proof that "once saved, always saved" is absolutely a true doctrine of the Bible. I am sorry to once again tell you, that I would be willing to accept it as true if I saw the truthfulness of that teaching. As of yet, I remain unconvinced that what you and others have said about this gives me or anyone else solid evidence. I believe God's word, I just as yet don't accept the interpretation of the Scriptures you as well as others have offered to date as being accurate. Thanks for trying New Creature |
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