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1 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88838 | ||
Dear John Convince me through Scripture that "once saved always saved" as is being presented by many today is accurate and Bibical. As of yet I find no Scriptural support for it. So far you and others have provided much Scripture on this subject, without convincing me, or swaying my thinking on this topic. I am convinced by Scripture as I prayerfully read and study and chew over it. I have no intention of swaying your opinions on the matter. Let Scripture also be the only book that helps you form your opinion. I will continue to post my opinions on this topic, and no doubt you will continue to add your rebutals to my comments Thats what the forum is all about Keep up the diligent work May the Lord also Bless you New Creature |
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2 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | Jesusman | 88842 | ||
1 Peter 1:3-5 Our inheritance is reserved in heaven. It will remain there under the protection of God and it will not be taken away, fade away, nor will it be defiled, nor perish. Roman 8: 12-17 We are called "Children of God". We are adopted by HIM. Are you aware of the First Century view on adoption? In the first century, an adopted Child could never be "un-adopted". Adoption was perminant. Not even the courts or an order by the Emperor could disolve an adoption. People, such as Government officials, the wealthy, and the like would adopt their own Children. Why? To ensure that they would get their inheritance. An Adopted Child could never be denied his/her inheritance. With these two passages, and others that I just plainly don't have time to look up, how can you you come to any other conlusion than that Christians cannot lose their salvation? ON top of that, why would you want to believe anything else? Are you seriously content with the idea that your salvation can be wisked away at a moments notice? I'm not. How powerful can God be if he cannot secure the salvation he provided for me? This God you speak of must be one gigantic weakling, especially if he depends upon my help to stay under his graces. Why should I fear a God who cannot keep a hold of his own subjects? Jesusman |
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3 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88867 | ||
Jesusman Even if an adopted child cannot ever be un-adopted, it is still possible for that adopted child to become sick and die. There is physical death as well as spiritual death. I stand firm. "once saved always saved" is not a Bibical teaching. I am still awaiting to be convinced from Scripture. As of yet no one has been able to prove this teaching to be Bibical, therefore it must come from men and denominations New Creature |
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4 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | Jesusman | 88887 | ||
Stop thinking like your living in the twentieth century, and start thinking like the writers of the Bible. What the writers of the Bible thought about certain topics is different than today. They didn't go around "claiming" to be Christians while still doubting one of the fundamental truths of Christianity. Even in death, that Child was stil the child of the person who adopted him/her. There was absolutely ZERO method, NONE, No way, Nada to become "Un-adopted". It was perminant. The Child could not deny his/her adoption. The courts could not break the adoption contract. The adopted parent could not break, deny, or nullify the adoption either. The adoption was perminant. On top of that, The adopted child in NO way could be denied their inheritance. You may stand firm in your belief, but it isn't fimrly planted upon the Bible or it's teachings. You are fimrly standing upon your own stubbornness, and refusal to admit that your belief is wrong. 1 Peter 1:3-5, a passage I talked about in my previous post, talks about the inheritance. Did you read it? While we're on the subject of reading the Bible, how many of the Bible passages have you looked up? Anyways, 1 Peter describes the inheritance in this manner. It is imperishable, Undefiled, and will not fade away. It is reserved in heaven. Then, Peter turns around and tell us that we can ... do what? REJOICE!!! Why should we rejoice if you believe that we can lose our inheritance? According to Peter, who I am certain knows more about the teachings of Christ than you do, we can't lose our inheritance. John 6:35-40 talks about Jesus being the Bread of life, and speaks that all that the Father has given Jesus, Jesus keeps, and cannot lose. I have supplied three passages just off the top of my head that prove this teaching. So apparently it isn't from "men of denominations". Do you comprehend the implications of saying that our security lies in ourself? Do you? You are saying, "God! You are not powerful enough for me. Therefore, thanks for the salvation, but I'll take care of the rest on my own." Believe it or not, That IS what you are saying. You are saying that God can't do it. That Jesus doesn't have the power to hold you firmly to him. That you need to get to heaven on your own, and that all God did was show you which road to take. What is it that Jesus said about this thinking? "I am the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through me." Do you know what Paul taught about the belief that You can reach heaven on your own? Such people are worthy of death. The only way to get to heaven is for God to carry you, guide you, and be with you the whole way. You cannot do it on your own. You are not that strong. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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5 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88925 | ||
I have read all the Scripture verses you gave me, which you believe absolutely support without a doubt your belief that "once saved, always saved" is an essential truth of Scripture. And I must tell you I am not ignorant when it comes to Scripture. If you want to continue to believe in that teaching I don't deny you that right and priveledge, no matter how unfounded I believe it is. As I have told others and I will tell you as well, the following verse, in my opinion, single-handedly shoots your revered "once saved, always saved" teaching completely out of the water. John 15:6 If a man abide (Greek meno, meaning remain) not in me, he is cast forth (some versions use cut off) as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Love in Christ Jesus New Creature |
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