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1 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | John Reformed | 88387 | ||
Hello New Creature, You said: "The fact that God will never leave or forsake us, in no way indicates that it is God that ever does the forsaking. It is not God that forsakes us, we, however can leave or forsake Him. It is called departing from the faith. (see 1 Tim 4:1)" Is it not possible that those who departed from "the" faith might fall into the category of mere professors of the faith. Afterall, the fact they were with us and even professed to have faith is not the same as having saving faith. 1 John 2:18-20 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. "The fact that nothing can separate you from the LOVE of God in no way means that nothing cannot separate you from the LIFE that is in Christ." John 10:4 "When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. John 10:5 "A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers." John 18:9 to fulfill the word which He spoke, "Of those whom You have given Me I lost not one." Question: Do you really believe that the Good Sheperd will fail to keep all of his sheep safe, even from themselves? I wonder...at what point does "free-willism" become an idol between God and ourselves? When the verses of God's Holy Word are forced to bow before man's unconquerable will we have passed the bounds to a region of darkness where no child of God belongs. Thank GOD ALL MIGHTY!!! that no matter how far we stray, we are NEVER out of His infinite reach. John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, How does a doctrine which casts doubts on the ability of The Good Shepherd to keep His flock 100 percent intact glorify God? Answer: IT DOES'NT GLORIFY HIM AT ALL. JUST THE OPPOSITE! I implore you to think through your doctrine. What does it say about the power of God? If God cannot keep us from being lost a 2nd time (and this without remedy. Heb 6) then we are thrown back upon ourselves and ultimately must trust ourselves if we are to remain saved. This is nothing but works righteousness all over again. It leads back to Mount Sinai and the Law all over again. And we know that the Law is powerless to save. John |
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2 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | tj57h@cs.com | 88400 | ||
I asked for an example in new testement scripture you provided none. Salvation and rightiousness are by faith, and kept by faith thay are imputed and free gifts. Works does not get nor keep salvation. A lost person hears the word, believes in his hesrt and confesses the death burrial and resurection of Jesus Christ and becomes saved, born again. Hwe has passed from condemnation in his OLD condemned life in death to a new life in Christ, for Christ is our life, We get the fruit of faith and the gift of faith through him indewelling. Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. If christ lives in the believer, how can he possibly lose faith? We live by the faith of Christ. He is the believer in us. WE DO NOT SAVE OURSELVES BY OUR WORKS, CHRIST SAVES US AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SEALS US UNTILL THAT DAY! IT IS A FREE GIFT! Only a person who has believed in vain can forsake Christ:1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. If a person works for salvation he has fallen from grace:Click Verse for Commentary Notes Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. This does not mean you have become eternally condemned to hell it means his grace is shut off like a valve to be a living benefit to you, this explanes the lack of power and victory in the orginazed Church. I have an example of people who sined that were born again and died because of thier sin:Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. Does not say they went to HELL. And those people who do not confess thier sin before they take comunion they got sick and died, Does not say they went to hell. 1cor 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation (judgement or chastisement, not eternal damnation in hell) to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. love, Tim Let me know when you come up with that example of a person in the New Testment that was born again and got eternally damned to hell, would you please! |
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