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1 | examples of disobedient people who died | Luke 8:13 | EdB | 88520 | ||
John John good answer but one that did not address any of God’s objections. God said we should not argue over the meaning of words, surely you see that most of the discussion has been on the meaning of words, “all” doesn’t mean all it means… God says don’t cause strife yet many have gotten so angry they have left the forum completely. God says don’t argue on meaningless things yet if everyone would be perfectly honest we could all agree we do not completely understand God since God has not revealed everything to us. Therefore continued discussion of it is meaningless until God reveals it all. John can you explain how repeating the same thing over and over helps you understand your natural lack of holiness and therefore clarifies your understanding of grace? Informative? Exciting? John don’t you mean the challenge to ‘one up’ another is exciting and learning how to do it is informative. Then the questions is what are you feeding, your flesh or your spirit? What benefit has your spirit received from all of this? How does all of this fit into Jesus’ commission to go make disciples? To the new Christian or the unsaved most of this is meaningless and results in confusion and shows a nature of bickering and indecision within Christianity. It appears to be argument for arguments sake, with no conclusions being drawn, no decisions be made, no winner no loser just endless debate. EdB |
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2 | examples of disobedient people who died | Luke 8:13 | John Reformed | 88533 | ||
Dear Ed, You asked "Now once again what does "all", “whosoever” and “world” mean? Is that not arguing over the meaning of words?" You then provided the following verses mant to support your arguement: 2 Tim. 2:14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Ed, God does not object to our struggle to rightly discern the "word of truth". If the proper understanding hangs upon the meaning of a single word, like the good workman, we must labor over it until we hane got it right. The proper understanding of Scripture is never unprofitable and brings wealth and never ruin. 2 Tim. 2:23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. Here again, I'm certain that Paul is not speaking of searching the Scripture. Neither do I believe that Titus 3:9, 1 Tim. 1:4 or 1 Tim. 6:4 apply to debates over God's Word. Jesus was concerned over jots and tittles. 2 Tim 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. Accuracy demands knowing (within the bounds of human capacity) the meaning of each word in each verse contained in Scripture. This will be (God willing) my last reply to the arguement against not arguing over words that may or may not have ambiguous meanings. Now if you want to critisize those who argue about topics, such as, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?", then I'm with you all the way! God Bless Ed, John |
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3 | examples of disobedient people who died | Luke 8:13 | EdB | 88541 | ||
John Is the meaning of "all" important or is salvation important? Is the meaning of "whosoever" important or is love important? Is the meaning of "world" important or is Christina fellowship important? John this is dancing on a the head of a pin, what is important than you and I are saved. We should be sharing the message of Jesus with the world not arguing over whether we choose or God choose to save us. If either of us could supply conclusive proof to end this argument right now, we would, and what would be the result? Would that change either of our positions in the kingdom, would it draw others closer, would it hasten Jesus' second coming? The answer is no! I think that nets down to useless arguement in God's book. I still think Searcher56 is to be commended on his attempt to stop another round of useless debate. EdB |
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4 | examples of disobedient people who died | Luke 8:13 | John Reformed | 88548 | ||
Dear Ed, "Is the meaning of "all" important or is salvation important?" There are no unimportant words in the Bible. Of course, somethings are more important than others. I do consider the basis upon which we are saved an essential element of salvation; not because it determines salvation itself, but it shows why God alone is to be glorified for providing it. If we say that God makes salvation merely available, that opens the door to man who can take credit for the spark of goodness in prompting his choice. I will concede that true believers would never consider boasting, for in their hearts they know that their salvation was a work of God from top to bottom and from inside to out. It's a shame that their theology oft-times contradicts their experience. You said: "If either of us could supply conclusive proof to end this argument right now, we would, and what would be the result? Would that change either of our positions in the kingdom, would it draw others closer, would it hasten Jesus' second coming? The answer is no! I think that nets down to useless arguement in God's book." I would not presume to say what the outcome of an absolutely unified church would bring. But I do know it would be by God's providence and to His glory. John 3:27 John answered and said, "A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven. John |
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5 | examples of disobedient people who died | Luke 8:13 | EdB | 88687 | ||
John I agree with you about the possibilities of a unified church. Quite frankly that is exactly what I promoted for years, even though it has cost me dearly. However after my experience on this forum and seeing how Calvin's teachings can effect others, I'm in process of ridding my library of all his teachings. Funny at one time I referenced Calvin often many (most) times to the dismay of my peers, I honestly never saw the dark side of his teaching until I witnessed what has been displayed on this forum. I view any thought of a unified church as impossible until man realizes he can not explain what God has not revealed. And when he (man) attempts to make doctrine based on these theories he will divide and separate the church. Christianity is a religion of unity and love yet when man insists on injecting his thoughts it become twisted and distorted. Love and unity gets lost to ego and desire to be right. EdB |
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