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1 | Can a believer lose his salvation? | Luke 8:13 | geoffc | 2280 | ||
yes it is possible. For a thorough examination of this subject check out Dan Corner's page at www.evangelicaloutreach.org. I'll have more to say later in the week. |
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2 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | tj57h@cs.com | 88327 | ||
Give ONE example of a person who lost his salvation (In the new Testement) who truly was born again, PLEASE! Love Tim |
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3 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88342 | ||
tj57h@cs.com I have provided you with the following example of two individuals who as far as I can tell have at one time forfeited their salvation. It was said of these two that they made shipwreck of their faith. The picture I get of a shipwreck, is the ship is run upon the shallows and rocks by the wind and waves, and the waves pound athe ship into the rocks unmercifully until they bust the ship apart and it sinks or is cast adrift. The ship is destroyed. The same way the faith of these two was destroyed. Others will tell you they were not ever truly saved to begin with. I believe Paul would have told us that was the case if it was true. But I don't buy into that philosophy and thinking. Since Paul never said they were never really saved to begin with, that would have to be an assumption on the part of those who read these verses in that context. Paul wrote about some who "made ship-wreck of their faith" (1 Tim. 1:19,20) unlike many in our day Paul did not say of these who shipwrecked their faith, they were never really saved to begin with. 1 Tim. 1:18-20 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. New Creature |
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4 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | tj57h@cs.com | 88349 | ||
Why deliver one unto Satan to learn not to Blaspheme, if they are not still saved and being taugh a lesson? The same for the guy in Cor that had his fathers wife, they put him out to teach him, then they restored him 2 cor. Most people that believe a TRUE Son of God can loose his salvation, believe being put out or delivered to Satan is sent to hell for eternal damnation. No were does it clearly say: They have lost faith and are eternally dammed in Hell? What the word does say is incorruptable seed, eternal life, I will never leave you nor forsake you, nothing can seperate you from the love of god.........except........nada! The word don't get much clearer than that! I call them absolutes! Were are the abloluses (Scriptures that are crystal clear where a true son gets eternally dammed?) The Prodigal son is a prime example! Never onece did he not be a son, his intimate relationship was temporary suspended. God as we know is not into abortion or murder. Oh but he WILL correct the rebellious and disobedient son! Love Tim |
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5 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 88369 | ||
Tim The fact that God will never leave or forsake us, in no way indicates that it is God that ever does the forsaking. It is not God that forsakes us, we, however can leave or forsake Him. It is called departing from the faith. (see 1 Tim 4:1) The fact that nothing can separate you from the LOVE of God in no way means that nothing cannot separate you from the LIFE that is in Christ. "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE OF GOD that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." In quoting this passage, the eternal security adherents argue that it proves that once we are saved we are always saved; and even though "sin" isn't mentioned in Paul's list, it is understood to be included, hence no sin committed after initial salvation will condemn a person! there is a definite DIFFERENCE between the "LOVE" of God as mentioned in Rom. 8:38,39 and the "LIFE" of God, according to Scripture! This is easily proven by noting that UNSAVED people are LOVED by God, even though they are devoid of His LIFE! A clear case in point is the rich, young ruler who was certainly UNSAVED, yet LOVED by Jesus (Mk.10:21)! It must be further noted that this same unsaved man, like all unsaved people, are separated from the LIFE of God," (Eph. 4:18) but, again, not separated from His LOVE! Since one only has salvation when he has the LIFE of God, Rom. 8:38,39 does NOT assure an unconditional salvation on the basis of God's infinite love!" (quoted from an unknown source) New Creature |
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6 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | nivlac5 | 88378 | ||
Greetings, New Creature. It seems to me that the issue of eternal security is clearly taught in scripture and also depends on whether you have man center view of salvation or a God centered one. After all what God starts He finishes, such as in salvation. Phil 1:6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus. And who is the author or our faith? Hebrews 12:1,2 make it clear who that is, God Himself. Now certainly an earthly author may start a book and not finish it. It is a common occurrence. But what about he Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omniscient, God of the bible. Does He work a work and not complete it, especially since ther Holy Writ says He will coplete it? So in brief, nothing is able to seperate us from the salvation we have in Christ. For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus. John 10:28,29 |
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7 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89299 | ||
nivlac5 I am just now getting around to responding to the flood of replys I have had on the topic of "once saved, always saved." Let me just breifly say that my opinions concerning this topic, are formed by God's word, not man's opinions, or denominational slants or bias. God's word plainly says: For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. (Heb. 6:4-6 NASB) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (Heb. 3:12) If a man abide not me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:6) Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. many who embrace "once saved, always saved, often skip over such Scriptures when teaching or while spending personal time in the Bible because such do not fit (or better yet, cannot fit) into their theology and, therefore, they simply do not know what to do with these awkward passages. They are thrown into a temporary state of confusion when confronted with them! In His service New Creature |
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8 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | nivlac5 | 89378 | ||
Part I..New creature, just quoting scripture does not get you anywhere,please interpret it in light of the rest of scripture. You keep repeating the same verses and charge us with man's opinion, but yet you quote man's opinion, such as Clarke's comm.There is no confusion with these passages. So lets again revisit the passages you quote. First, please turn to John 17:1-4, the beginning of Jesus High Priestly prayer. Verses 2-3John 17:2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. You will see that all that the Father has given to the son, He gives Eternal Life(Salvation from God's wrath, which is our due punishment for our sin,Romans 6:23)Does not Jesus give Eternal Life to those whom the Father has given Him? Please see this in light of John 6:37. All that the Father gives WILL come to Jesus, and He will certainly not cast them out. Notice that in John 6:40, that who ever has the Son will be raised up by Him. Verse 51 says he who is in Christ, he will live forever(Eternal life, salvation). Again, all this in light of John 10:27,28, He gives them Eternal Life and they will NEVER(oo-may(G)(not ever, in no wise, never)perish(eternal damanation, separation from God) And twice, vs 28,29, Jesus says no one and yes that includes yourself, can snatch(remove, disqualify, forfeit) from the Grace of God's Hand. Again, all this in light of Hebrews 12:1,2 and Phil 1:6, which make it clear Who the author and finisher of our faith is. That faith, is a saving faith,that leads to Eternal life. Please view this again, in light of Romans 8 and the character of God(His promises, faithfulness etc) Part II to follow |
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9 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | New Creature | 89392 | ||
I reviewed all Scripture you posted. Actually if I reviewed those verses once I reviewed them a thousand times previously. Only problem is, I believe you need to reconcile other Scripture as well before you say that "once saved, always saved" is an absolute Bibical teaching. Verses such as; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. (Heb. 6:4-6 NASB) Ezek. 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. How do you reconcile these verses with the rest of the verses you posted. In my opinion "once saved, always saved" as taught by many today is a theological invention of man. In His service New Creature |
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