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1 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Jeanne1 | 80920 | ||
I agree with you completely, however, some people in some denominations, no matter how much they follow the "way" believe you must confess continually to "remain" saved...I used to be so confused by this, as I always wondered, if you have a special prayer time, and die sometime before you get there, then what? I am not talking about people who "choose" to fall away...that's another matter, the unpardonable sin...cursing God, or denying Him. You are absolutely correct...I agree with you completely. why then all the warnings to guard your salvation? Because it is precious...what a price..You mentioned Peter - What if he didn't repent but ran away instead? Same for Saul - What if he said "Hey, I'd rather be blind than to promote that Jesus thing."? Could you really imagine that happening? I think that light thing would have probably gotten my attention, how about you? Peter walked with the Lord on earth, and saw it all...couldn't imagine that one either. But what about those people that walked and talked the path to God thru Jesus, accepted Him fully, was baptized, attended church and church funtions, witnessed to others, etc... but later because of maybe a loss of children or spouse or maybe over time because he though that he could not lose his salvation became stagnant and fell into the ways of the world and forgot about God over time and then died. Are they still saved? As for this one, I had a mother who you would have sworn was a Christian..did all those things, however, could never understand being born again in the real sense..Did all kinds of things, acceptable to Christians, gossiped, backbiting, lying, just not the socially unacceptable stuff. When she died I was with her...I don't know what she saw at that moment, however the fear on her face was unspeakable...she screamed and died. Did she ever really know the Lord? I cannot imagine it with the way she behaved..the hurt she caused with her mouth was out of this world. If it is sin, I would prefer plain out sex, at least that involves some form of love..I am not advocating that at all, however, the more covert sins, do so much damage, they are like cluster bombs. I believe like you do..the end is in God's hands. Salvation is through the blood, and by their fruits you will know them. J |
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2 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 80930 | ||
Jeanne1: In the following quote from your post you ask a good question and then proceed to give an excellent answer, one with which I agree. Good work. I would like to reply to what you have written with a quotation in support of your answer. You write: "But what about those people that walked and talked the path to God thru Jesus, accepted Him fully, was baptized, attended church and church funtions, witnessed to others, etc... but later because of maybe a loss of children or spouse or maybe over time because he though that he could not lose his salvation became stagnant and fell into the ways of the world and forgot about God over time and then died. Are they still saved?" The following quote, in support of your answer, is excerpted from an article on The Evidences of Genuine Saving Faith found at the Grace to You website. 'Conditions that do not prove or disprove genuine saving faith. '1. Visible Morality There are some people who just seem to be good people. They can be religious, moral, honest, and forthright [trustworthy] in their dealings with people. They may seem to be grateful, loving, kind and tenderhearted toward others. They have visible virtues and an external morality. The Pharisees of Jesus day rested on visible morality for their hope and yet some of Christ's harshest words were directed at them for this very thing. 'Many who possess visible morality know nothing of sincere love for God. Whatever good works they appear to possess, they know nothing of serving the true God and living for His glory. Whatever the person does or leaves undone does not involve God. They're honest in their dealings with everyone-but God. They won't rob anyone-but God. They're thankful and loyal to everyone-but God. They speak contemptuously and reproachfully of no one-but God. They have good relationships with everyone-but God. They are like the rich young ruler who said, "All these things [conditions] have I kept, what do I lack?" Their focus is on visible morality, but that visible morality doesn't necessarily mean salvation. Jesus told one of the Pharisees "you must be born again" (John 3:6), not "you must put on an external morality." People can "clean up their act" by reformation rather than regeneration-so reformation in itself is not a mark of saving faith. '2. Intellectual Knowledge Another condition that can be misleading is intellectual knowledge. People can possess an intellectual understanding and knowledge of the truth and yet not be saved. While the knowledge of the truth is necessary for salvation, and visible morality is a fruit of salvation, neither of these conditions by themselves translate into true saving faith. People can know all about God, all about Jesus, who He was, that He came into the world, that He died on the cross, that He rose again, that He's coming again, and even many details about the life of Christ-and still turn their backs on Him. 'That's what the writer of Hebrews was warning against in Hebrews 6:4-6. There were people in the church who knew all about God and understood gospel truths. They even had a measure of experience with gospel truth. They'd seen the ministry of the Holy Spirit at work in people's lives-and yet knowing all of that, they stood in grave danger of turning away and rejecting Christ. 'In Hebrews 10 the writer warns this kind of man that he is treading underfoot the blood of Christ by not believing what he knows to be true. There are many people who know the Scriptures but are on their way to hell! A man cannot be saved without the knowledge of the truth, but possessing that knowledge alone does not save. '3. Religious Involvement Religious involvement is not necessarily a proof of true faith. According to Paul there are people who possess an outward form (a mere external appearance) of godliness but who have denied the power of it. They have an empty form of religion. Jesus illustrated this when He told of the virgins in Matthew 25. They waited and waited and waited for the coming of the bridegroom, who is Christ. And even though they waited a long time, when He came they didn't go in. They had everything together except the oil in their lamps. That which was most necessary was missing. The oil is probably emblematic of the new life; the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. They weren't regenerate. They had religious involvement but were not regenerate. A person can be visibly moral, know the truth, be religiously involved, and yet not possess genuine saving faith.' (From an article by John MacArthur)(www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/genuinefaith.htm) - - - - - - - - - - Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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3 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Jeanne1 | 80934 | ||
These are not my questions, they are someone else's .... we were having a conversation...and I copied the questions into my mail back to that person, with my answers. kind and tenderhearted toward others - the Pharisees were NEVER this...they were looney legalists...this is a fruit of the Spirit. 'That's what the writer of Hebrews was warning against in Hebrews 6:4-6. There were people in the church who knew all about God and understood gospel truths. They even had a measure of experience with gospel truth. This group are more interested in lust..and I don't mean sex...I mean anything you desire above God, and hurt people to get...that can be things, status..you name it..you can find a ton of it..and you will see a lot of this in the churches...be careful!!! If someone has visible the fruits of the Spirit in their lives, and the Holy Spirit indwells you the spirits of each other will communicate. I believe this..we don't have to go around "testing" people.. The Bible tells us that the Spirit will know and so will we. J |
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4 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Radioman2 | 80948 | ||
Jeanne1: I'm sorry that I misunderstood your previous posts. I did not realize these were not your questions, that instead they are someone else's. As for the paragraph I quoted from your post, you did not enclose it with quotation marks. Nor did you say in the post that these were someone elses's questions. So I didn't know that you were quoting someone else. So if I have misinterpreted your post or your position on these issues, I am truly sorry. I would not knowingly misquote or misrepresent another person's writings. In the post to which I am now replying it says: '..we don't have to go around "testing" people.' I couldn't agree with you more. You are exactly right. Neither I nor the writer of the article is saying that we should test others as to whether they are saved. I've never advocated such a thing. The intent of the article I quoted was not to teach us how to test other people. It is to help us examine ourselves, according to 2 Cor 13:5, which says in part: "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves..." Examine and test yourselves -- not other people. That's what the verse says and that is what I was referring to. Regardless of any misunderstanding over that one post, I still say your writing is good, helpful and worth reading. I appreciate you and your participation in this forum. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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5 | Predetermined or Free Will | Luke 8:13 | Jeanne1 | 80983 | ||
Don't sweat it...someone was asking about eternal security...which always translates as "once saved always saved" which does not mean the same thing to me....Eternal security means that nothing can take it FROM you...it doesn't imply that you cannot blow it off....you choose to accept Christ, you choose to not accept, or you choose to go your own way. Once you choose, and the word of the day here is choose, then no one can take it from you ...you are eternally secure...People here need to get something to do with day...seriously...some of the stuff on here is bananas. Thanks for the kind word... I got read the riot act the other day over writing to someone about trying to disciple them over the internet...how about a good church, and get into the program. This other person just wanted to argue with people about exotic passages. It was really nutso. Enough, you sound pretty grounded to me. I appreciate the three prong gang... Take care.. J |
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