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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Percival | 6488 | ||
Joe, I do not believe I made mention of your motives. The effect, however, is questionable. That your methods are justified by the example of Paul and the Lord Jesus is an hardly justifiable in light of the overwhelming balance of scripture that portrays patience, meekness, gentleness and peace. As for emulating the Old Testament prophets, I should say that it takes more than rudeness to become like them. It is good to hear that you are not frustrated. Your self-assurance in this matter of the doctrine of election is commendable. Please note that only a hairsbreadth separates self-assurance from self-righteousness. I am not as convinced as you are that you hold the absolute knowledge of right and wrong. I do, however, see that you are very zealous, and well versed in your dogma and the Bible. Thank you for your participation in this Study Bible Forum. Praise the Lord! |
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2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 6514 | ||
I am afraid that I misunderstand you (at least I hope that you are not saying what it appears that you are saying). Are you saying that Paul and Christ were unwarranted in the tone of their correction? I am not convinced that I hold in myself the knowledge of right and wrong. However, I do hold a Bible in my hands, and it makes a lot of things very clear. I am convinced that God is holy. Is that too dogmatic? I hold to the universal depravity of mankind. That certainly can't be called self-righteous! I hold that we are saved by the grace of God through faith in the sinless life and substitutionary death of Christ. Please tell me when I am getting too bigoted or narrow-minded. I also hold that Ephesians 1 clearly points out that it is God who chooses those who will be saved. I hold that Romans 9 does the same, as do other lengthy passages in the Old and New Testaments.If someone has a reasonable, alternate exegesis of these passages, I am more than willing to hear them. So far, I have heard none. What is your viewpoint on this issue, by the way? If God has revealed His nature in the Bible, it is most definitely because he wants us to know what He is like. As I said previously, ignorance of God's word is no excuse. I assume you have a Bible. Examine the Scriptures and explain from the text your own views rather than posturing as noble for sitting on the doctrinal fence and hinting that those who have examined them and drawn very reasonable conclusions are being "dogmatic" and "self-righteous." --Joe! |
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3 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Percival | 6534 | ||
Joe, I am certain that Paul and Christ Jesus were warranted in their correction. However, my friend, you are neither Paul nor Christ Jesus. Also, this is an internet forum dedicated to Bible Study, not propunding dogma or rebuking brethren. Your separate points may or may not have merit, but in toto they are pure Calvinism, falling exactly into the category of dogma. Some fairly reasonable alternatives have been proposed. Perhaps you cannot hear them for lack of effort. Judging by your previous statements, my views are not worthy of serious review. I have great respect for Calvin, but have trouble with the Biblical representation of limited atonement. There is abundant evidence that atonement is for all, though strict Calvinists simply say that all doesn't mean all. Supralapsarianism seems indeed to make God into the Author of sin, and man into an automaton, neither of which I believe. Some Arminians deny original sin, which I think is unscriptural. Again, the strict Calvinist doctrine popularly know as 'once-saved, always-saved' is difficult to reconcile with blaspheming the Holy Spirit and other scripture describing 'fallen' brethren. All told, both Calvinist and Arminian dogma have Biblical shortcomings. I cannot adhere to either one. Instead, I claim a more elegant, simpler faith. I am not devoted to a single creed. Joe, this is as far as I go into arguing the merit of one dogma over another. Especially in this environment. Discussing points of faith with grace and temperance are more in keeping with this particular venue and audience. Honestly, I do not judge your conclusions. I have a few of my own, arrived at through some study and careful consideration of the Bible. Perhaps some day we will discuss them together. Praise the Lord! |
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