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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Pelagianism or Arminianism? |
Bible Note: You lost your original answer? Jesus saves...why don't you? :) Thanks for providing your perspective on Romans 9. It doesn't seem that many people who hold a "free-will" view want to go there. I would like to point out two things that keep me from accepting the "nations" view in Romans 9. The first is that God clearly is shown to not extend his mercy to some, which included Esau as an individual in Genesis, not the Edomites. The second is that the "vessels of mercy" referred to are not the Jews nor the Gentiles as a race, but those "of the Jews" and also "of the Gentiles," i.e. individuals within those nations (v. 24). Also, Paul takes the time to clearly delineate in the first part of Romans 9 that not all descended from Jacob are considered "all Israel" for the purposes of his discourse (v. 6). I don't see how one concludes that Paul is speaking of Gentiles and Jews in general in Ephesians 1. He is addressing Gentile believers, but he himself is a Jew, and he groups them both together (i.e. the church at Ephesus and Paul, not nations) as those chosen according to the kind intention of God's will. What do you think? --Joe! |