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Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: Joe, thanks for your input. Your contribution to this subject has immensely helped me to understand the Calvinistic position on election and regeneration a lot more clearly. I think that where we disagree (the "heart" of the matter) is where Christ's blood falls into all of this. If we go all the way back to the original question that started this whole thread, then we see that there is a question of Christ dying only for certain people, or making a distinction thereof. My position is that He died for everyone and yours is that He died only for those who will inherit salvation. Is there any reconciliation here? Perhaps you have already answered the question about satan and how he now stands condemned (because of Christ's Victory on the cross and Resurrection), and how satan no longer holds the keys to sin and death. From your point of view, I presume that it would be possible to assume that satan could continue to have power over those who have not been divinely chosen. However, since I believe that Christ's victory is an open invitation for all to come to a saving knowledge of Him, I would describe the plight of the lost as: satan continues to have power over those who have not been called through a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit.Therefore, is your view "true" in the effect or consequence AFTER we receive Christ? Then a person would most certainly be considered as an elect. Is my view "true" in the effect that a person (who may or may not become saved) may receive salvation? (My view: that Christ's blood was shed for all people) I know that we cannot comprehend or explain the unexplainable. But it is interesting in light of ancient Israel of how God chose just one small group of people for His inheritance. Did all of those other peoples and countries die in their sins? That is a question for only God to answer. As for ancient Israel, only a small number of people (compared with the world at large) knew about the true God and only those would inherit salvation. This fact is interesting in light of what we are talking about. However, Jesus made salvation possible for every kind of people (not just the Jews, but also for the Gentile) as seen in Acts 10:9-18. But in the book of Acts, we read about different accounts back and forth about those who received Christ (the elect) and those who did not (the condemned) wherever Paul went. Since Christ's free gift (at the point of His Resurrection) was accepted by some in the other places where Paul went, would this also give credence to the belief that Christ died for the sins of all? Thanks for the discussion. -Nolan |