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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: Calvinists viewpoints on hell..1) True2) True3) True4) This is an age old Calvinistic opinion "not due to our choice" goes into predestination with the contention that we are not saved by choice (eliminating free will). This means that a person who is not 'elected' to salvation has no hope to repent and conversely the person who's election is predestined has no need to repent. This has no Scriptural support, so it must be a misinterpretation.5) False - God IS obligated because He obligated Himself. Question: Who has the authority to obligate God? God!! Due to God's pure nature He cannot go back on His Word. Read Acts 10:34-43. His Word states that He is not a respecter of persons. It is funny that Peter said this while he was working with the first Gentile conversions. (Gentiles were the first 'non-elect'.)6) Why are you using the word "Kindness" instead of salvation? Is God just being "nice" by offering salvation or is that his plan for mankind? Grace refers to salvation, kindness is a different thing.7) If this is the case, then you have to maintain that grace is universally available. Another missed point, you really must get back to context on Romans! Paul wrote Romans to those that were already saved. His references to 'elect' are to those who have FOLLOWED the 'Roman's road' to salvation. Read Romans 5:17-18 and 3:23, 6:23, 5:8, Acts 2:38. God intends to save everyone but the failure is not His but belongs to the individual. (1 Peter 3:9).I hope that you can answer some of these flaws that I have shown about your Calvinistic beliefs. Don't worry, I'm not in a hurry. You can go consult with your Calvinistic friends and get with them first before answering these flaws in Calvinism. But I do ask that you would not IGNORE them, since that would prove that Calvinism is not able to answer such flaws.Thank you for your thoughts!-Nolan! |