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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: Well you are right about "being as Arminian as they come"! John Wesley would be proud! :) Thew view you presented, however, contends that Christ didn't die for any ACTUAL sins at Calvary unless we believe. Therefore, I need to point out two things, which I hope you can address for me: 1. In theory, then, if no one had "cooperated with God in salvation," then Christ would have died for nothing. Yes, I know that didn't happen, but it still was a theoretical possibility, right? 2. Did Christ pay for any ACTUAL sins on the Cross? If so, did he pay the penalty for the sins of the damned as well? That would seem consistent with a view of unlimited atonement if Christ actually paid the debt on the Cross. One other thing: where is the Scriptural support for prevenient grace? Thanks! I hope if nothing else that our dialogue has given you a clearer picture of Calvinism, even if you disagree with it. Too many people out there misrepresent the theology, and therefore there is a lot of confusion about it. Even if we disagree with each other, I do feel that it is important that we UNDERSTAND where one another is coming from. --Joe! |