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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Bible Question: Can you give me specific verses concerning "Christ dyeing only for the elect"? |
Bible Answer: Well, if you hold to election as I do, one has a real problem if he doesn't hold to limited atonement. If Christ paid for the sins of everyone, why isn't everyone going to Heaven? What I mean is that if my next door neighbor never makes a decision for Christ, how could he be punished for his sin if Christ already paid the price 2000 years ago? As others have said in this thread, the argument for limited atonement is indeed married to the doctrine of unconditional election, which finds its biggest support in Jesus' statements in John 6:35-65, Paul's analogy of the potter in Romans 9, and Paul's very clear presentation of divine choice in Ephesians 1. This is by no means the only scriptural support for election; but as it has already been made clear, there are already at least a dozen threads on that one. The doctrine of limited atonement is inseparable from unconditional election, though, for the reason stated above. In addition, why would he cause his Son to suffer for those who are going to die in their sins? Either Christ was the propitiation for the sins of only those who will believe in Him, or else both Christ AND the unbeliever will face God's wrath for exactly the same sins! Doesn't seem terribly just, does it? A final argument for limited atonement stems from the idea of God's sovereignty. If we say that Christ died for ALL the ungodly (i.e. all humanity), then the fact that there will be people in Hell demonstrates that Christ was unable to save all. He died for their sins, and yet he didn't save them? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Nowhere in Scripture do we find this idea that Jesus was a "potential" savior for some, but an "actual" savior for others. Anyhow, that's the way I see it! Now let me know your thoughts. --Joe! |