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Bible Question: inHzsvc, John Gill must be a lawyer (getting paid by word count) :). Obviously I'm of not of the Calvinistic bent, in that I believe God makes us choose, either to follow Him or the lies of Satan. Since you believe we don't have a choice would you explain what Satan is doing? I mean if we can't be deceived because we don't have a choice then what is Satan doing by seeking whom he can deceive? Also Matthew 25:41 seems to imply, at least to me, that the lake of fire was made for Satan and his demons and humans only go there should they reject the gospel of Jesus Christ. You on the other hand must believe that not to be true. If we logically think through your position God created the Lake of Fire for Satan, his demons, and the whole race of people God created to throw in there also. So much for mercy! |
Bible Answer: I don't think that you are looking at things from my perspective. I think a lot of Calvinistic people really misrepresent what "true" Calvinistic people believe. There are small bands of "hyper-Calvinists" who believe it was predestined for me to eat barbecue ribs today. How ridiculous. But look, what Job ever in jeopardy of losing his salvation? Do we see any time that Job ever lost his salvation? That is what Satan plans to do, but, he will never accomplish that because of the blood. Satan has, however, deceived the world as a whole. That's because the natural man is enmity with God and most people in this day and age are still in their natural state. Strictly speaking, everybody can believe or reject. However, unless God enlightens, people in their natural state cannot believe the Gospel (I Cor 2:14). Everybody deserves hell--everybody has sinned and come short of the glory of God. Everybody is at enmity with God. God would be righteous to allow everybody to die and go directly to hell--we sure weren't born wanting Him. However, our God of mercy, reached down and saved some despite who and what they were. We were no different than anybody else. We could have been born in a third world country that has never heard of Christ. We could have been born to an athiest family (as some of God's children have been). However, God blessed us to be born where we were---surely, you'd have to say we were at least given more of a "chance" if you want to use that Arminian (forgive me) terminology. But, God saved "us". We could be a drug addict, or a drunk, or a murderer. We could be a Satan worshipper or an Islamic terroist, or even an athiest. But, God, out of mercy, saved us. Logically, if all men deserve hell, and God is righteous and just, He will send all men to hell----unless, He makes a way out. So, legally, sin must be dealt with. Therefore, Christ atoned (made "at one" or reconciled) for our sins. He obviously didn't do this for every human being because they aren't "at one" with God. I hope this at least explains the true Calvinistic stance better than some of the "hardshells" who, perhaps, get more publicity than we do. By the way, John Gill was a great Baptist expositor of the 17th century. His work is quite an in depth work than can be enjoyed by all sorts of Christians. I think you can use it online at www.biblestudy.com.....not sure, though. God bless you and yours. |