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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: Joe, I am certain that Paul and Christ Jesus were warranted in their correction. However, my friend, you are neither Paul nor Christ Jesus. Also, this is an internet forum dedicated to Bible Study, not propunding dogma or rebuking brethren. Your separate points may or may not have merit, but in toto they are pure Calvinism, falling exactly into the category of dogma. Some fairly reasonable alternatives have been proposed. Perhaps you cannot hear them for lack of effort. Judging by your previous statements, my views are not worthy of serious review. I have great respect for Calvin, but have trouble with the Biblical representation of limited atonement. There is abundant evidence that atonement is for all, though strict Calvinists simply say that all doesn't mean all. Supralapsarianism seems indeed to make God into the Author of sin, and man into an automaton, neither of which I believe. Some Arminians deny original sin, which I think is unscriptural. Again, the strict Calvinist doctrine popularly know as 'once-saved, always-saved' is difficult to reconcile with blaspheming the Holy Spirit and other scripture describing 'fallen' brethren. All told, both Calvinist and Arminian dogma have Biblical shortcomings. I cannot adhere to either one. Instead, I claim a more elegant, simpler faith. I am not devoted to a single creed. Joe, this is as far as I go into arguing the merit of one dogma over another. Especially in this environment. Discussing points of faith with grace and temperance are more in keeping with this particular venue and audience. Honestly, I do not judge your conclusions. I have a few of my own, arrived at through some study and careful consideration of the Bible. Perhaps some day we will discuss them together. Praise the Lord! |