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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: This having been my first post to a forum in awhile, I decided to sit back and see what came up. It seems there are only a few that comment here. As (it seems) always is the case there are strong opinions from many views...all that are Christians. Some will say they believe in Jesus,,that He died for thier sins.....But listen up now,,He died only for thier sins and the rest of us have no chance of experiencing anything related to God, the Bible, Grace, etc.. I have to admit that I have always wondered why the folks with this belief feel such a strong need to so forcefully share this view. Unless these folks want to be raised to a level that the rest of us will somehow realize that we are beneath them, and that we should somehow serve them or worship the because of thier singular place in society of God's ONLY chosen people???? Then, of course, there are those who would say that God's love, through Jesus Christ, forgives all of mankind, and that all will be saved, so why worry or even make an effort to find out about God and what He has in mind for us. Then there are those of us that have found that God does in fact love each and every one of us. That He does in fact want each and everyone of us to be with Him for eternity. That each and everyone of us is in fact totally unworthy of His Grace, forgivness, or any form of His salvation. But we also have found out that He knows we don't have the ability to be as He would have us be, but in spite of that, through His love, provides us with the one thing we are able to do, and that is to read/hear his word, and in co-operation with the teachings of His word, His inspiration through the Holy Spirit, and using our own will and intelligence, come to Him through Jesus Christ, through faith and belief that God's word, Jesus Christ, and all that God tells us is true. I've been told that I'm trying to humanize the Bible....If God and Jesus are not about us humans, then what are they about? I've been told that in Jeremiah that God was only speaking to one person, and how dare I put myself in that category or league, yet throughout the Bible God and Jesue speak to one person and are quoted as providing the message to all of us. It was said that only in this and a very few instances did God have anything to do with a person starting out,,(in the mother's womb). I would ask that after the physical miracles have happened, if God has nothing to do with us, where does our soul come from? (Wow that one will spring up some posts I'm sure). I ask also if God foreknows us, but has nothing to do with the beginning of us, then explain how "The Chosen" come about...Mabye we should come to believe that only the Chosen, predestined few are placed in the womb by God, and the rest of (many billions if we read things right) are but accidents or soul less or?? The bottom line here is I read Christians fighting with Christians, using a few words or versus here or there that when put together make up a view, when we should be finding ways to share the blessings we have, to work together instead of in division, and to take a united stand the Jesus Christ is in fact real, both then and now, and bring the joys and blessings we each have from this to the forefront for all to share and enjoy. It's sad to see so much infighting and division amongst Christians (it sure makes it hard for people wanting to learn and find out about what this is all about). Thanks for all the responses to my post, and I have and will continue to read, investigate, and join in sharing all of our views and blessings together. Praise Him, God Bless each of you, and may all we do be In His name and glory. Mike |