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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: Your manner of speech doesn't trouble me in the slightest. Your hypocrisy in "correcting" me in the tone of my response to Nolan while referring to me as a "bigot" I just found strange... I am 10 percent open to discussing other viewpoints. If I am wrong in the historical interpretation of God's methods and motive in salvation, please point that out to me from Scripture. I have yet to see anyone effectively address the problems I have with an Arminian view in light of clearly expounded passages to the contrary in Scripture. You speak of Calvinism as if it is something other than Christian. Do you hold the two as mutually exclusive? Yes, I hold to my views because I believe they are correct. Everyone does that, including yourself. Likewise, due to the law of non-contradiction, I hold opposing views to be wrong. By claiming that salvation is by God's grace through faith and not of works, does that make me "narrow-minded" to views that I must work my way to heaven? In the same manner, is my conviction that the Calvinist view is correct mean that I think Arminians are wrong? Absolutely. Do I think that means that no Arminians are saved? Of course not. Am I open to discussion on the issue? Without question. Has any discussion that has ensued on the topic satisfactorily addressed my concerns with an Arminian view in light of Ephesians 1, Romans 9:15 ff, John 6:35-65, etc.? Not at all. In short, do I think that I am right? Of course I do. If I thought I was wrong, I would believe something else. You painting me as someone who is convinced that he is right and others are wrong is what philosophers call a "red herring." Everyone falls into that category. Thanks! --Joe! |