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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: What problems are those in saying that some are not chosen? Here is the Calvinist viewpoint on Hell: 1. It is what we all deserve. 2. If none of us were saved, God would be demonstrating his justice and wrath toward sinners, both of which are entirely Biblical concepts. 3. Therefore, Hell is the "default destiny" of sinful man. There is never a point at which we are neutral as far as our salvation was concerned. Before, all of us are spiritually dead. Christians are made alive in Christ. 4. This is not due to our choice, but rather to God's mercy and grace (UNDESERVED kindness). 5. God is not OBLIGATED to show undeserved kindness and mercy to all. He is the Creator after all. 6. If God is required to offer kindness to all, then it is not grace anymore, but rather a deserved right we have. 7. Therefore, those who go to Hell get what they deserve, which demonstrates God's justice. Those of us who are saved do not get what we deserve (Hell), which demonstrates God's mercy. In both, God is glorified. I think the problem comes with a God who intends to save everyone, but fails to do so. Is he not loving enough to work to change the minds of the damned, or is he just not powerful enough to do so? Saying that God loves us enough to let us make up our own minds is small consolation to those who are facing an eternity of judgment and wrath if He indeed intended to save them. Thanks for the dialogue! --Joe! |