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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: Joe, there are numerous exhortations in Scripture to turn to God (Isaiah 31:6, Joel 2:13, Acts 3:19 for example) to repent (Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3,5, Acts 2:38, 17:30), and to believe (John 6:29, Acts 16:31, 1 John 3:23). So why would God waste his time with us living our lives if man's will wasn't free in this regard? Scripture indicates that 'election' is based on God's foreknowledge of who would respond positively to such exhortations (Romans 8:28-30, 1 Peter 1:1).I am not interpreting Scripture in every way possible just to back up my point. I could accuse you of the same thing. And Romans 3:10-18, John 6 and Romans 9 do not refute the idea of man's free will. Please show me in these verses where it 'soundly' says so.I really don't understand what you mean by "propitiation in theory", but in Scripture, Christ died for and has appeared to all men, not merely the elect (Titus 2:11, 1 Timothy 2:6, 4:10, Hebrews 2:9, 1 John 2:2).As for Norman Giesler, I don't even know the guy! And it is not for us to determine who Christ died for, since it is clear that Christ died for all, the righteous and the unrighteous, so that we would have the opportunity to choose Him. Try to look at Scripture and see where it says that God cares for and loves all men (John 3:16) and sent His Son to die for all, being the perfect Sacrifice, once for all. If I have knowledge but not love, have I gained anything? God does not create people to hate them. This simple fact will refute your theories of predestination and show how flawed and incomplete they really are. |