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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Pelagianism or Arminianism? |
Bible Note: Hi Tim, We all benefitted from your discussion. Thanks. Your post led me to consider the similarity of Eph 2:3- Rom 9:22 as you suggested. But before I get to that, it just dawned on me the idea in Rom 9:18 that "He hardens whom He desires." Until now I thought that he was talking about hardening the hearts of some. Now I connected it with the potter in the next verses so that finally after much patience working with vessels of wrath like we are, He finally gets us into something that He can harden and use, even us. Now the verse 15 is like 18. Mercy and compassion and mercy and a desireable vessel. Romans 9:23,"...vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, even us..." Romans 9:16, "So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy." Anyway, Rom 9:23,upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory... and Eph 2:4, "But God, being rich in mercy..." He called us. That should be a good word study. Rom 9:25b, "(I) will call those who were not My people, 'My people,' And her who was not my beloved, 'Beloved.'" "And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." (Parenthesis mine for comparison) Compare Eph 2:5,"...even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with (Christ) (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,..." Eph 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of (God);...For we are His workmanship..." |