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Bible Question:
Greetings Orthodoxy! Like Nolan, I approach the question of the extent of the atonement from an Arminian perspective. As such, I feel that your characterization of Nolan's view is inaccurate. Arminian's hold to the doctrine of unlimited Atonement. As such, the atonement is not just potential. It is actual. Christ atoned for the sins of the world. 1 John 2:2 - "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." This verse, and many others, make it clear that everyone's sins have been atoned for. Calvanists and Arminians agree that not everyone will be saved. One point we disagree on is how the distintion is made between the saved and the lost. We may never agree on this point. However, I don't feel that it is fair to make Arminianism 'another Gospel' as you did in one of your earlier posts. Galatians is comparing the Gospel of Grace with the Gospel of Works. Calvanism and Arminianism, while differing at several points, both fall well into the boundarys of orthodoxy. I love to debate with Calvanists, but I don't consider them heretics! p.s. - I checked out your profile. How is your schooling going? What year are you in? Enjoy your schooling while it lasts. It will be over before you know it. I'm hoping to get back to school one of these days, but it is difficult when you have four kids. God Bless, Tim Moran |
Bible Answer: Okay, this is sounding a lot more like the Arminianism that we all know and love. I would agree that Arminianism is more semi-Pelagian than actually Pelagian, but Mr. Keck's presentation of Arminian doctrine is far to close to Pelagianism for comfort. This is what I was referring to when I quoted Galatians. And I have yet to be convinced that Arminianism isn't simply a restatement of Roman Catholic theology, which has salvation being a cooperative effort on the part of man and God, a gospel of works. I'm not convinced this case can be made, but you are welcome to try. It would certainly save me a lot of grief, since the church I attended for 15 years is pretty solidly Arminian. I have a lot of friends there that I don't want to have to consider heretics, but I'm still not convinced that this is a real option. Actually, the point I was trying to make with the passage from Galatians is that Paul considered his gospel to be the only gospel, and all others to be damnable. Thus, it is certainly within our interest to find out what this gospel is. I read Romans, and chapters 1-9 clinch the argument as far as I'm concerned. "Calvinism," if one wishes to call it that, is basically there. I can't see Arminianism working. I'm currently a sophomore/junior (class/credit). My majors are: philosophy, Biblical studies, history. |