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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: I am afraid that I misunderstand you (at least I hope that you are not saying what it appears that you are saying). Are you saying that Paul and Christ were unwarranted in the tone of their correction? I am not convinced that I hold in myself the knowledge of right and wrong. However, I do hold a Bible in my hands, and it makes a lot of things very clear. I am convinced that God is holy. Is that too dogmatic? I hold to the universal depravity of mankind. That certainly can't be called self-righteous! I hold that we are saved by the grace of God through faith in the sinless life and substitutionary death of Christ. Please tell me when I am getting too bigoted or narrow-minded. I also hold that Ephesians 1 clearly points out that it is God who chooses those who will be saved. I hold that Romans 9 does the same, as do other lengthy passages in the Old and New Testaments.If someone has a reasonable, alternate exegesis of these passages, I am more than willing to hear them. So far, I have heard none. What is your viewpoint on this issue, by the way? If God has revealed His nature in the Bible, it is most definitely because he wants us to know what He is like. As I said previously, ignorance of God's word is no excuse. I assume you have a Bible. Examine the Scriptures and explain from the text your own views rather than posturing as noble for sitting on the doctrinal fence and hinting that those who have examined them and drawn very reasonable conclusions are being "dogmatic" and "self-righteous." --Joe! |