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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: The word of God is specific in that there will be some that are saved, and at that- very few. (sadly)..However, your first option in the paragraph about the blood of Christ is where I disagree. I agree that God foreknew us and set us apart as His elect people upon the moment of salvation. I also agree that human beings cannot save themselves. The Holy Spirit must effect the new birth. Where I disagree is that through the blood of Jesus, He provided redemption for all humankind, making it possible for all humans to be saved. (Titus 2:11, 1 Timothy 2:6, etc) But Christ's atonement becomes effective only for those who believe in Jesus. I believe that this is the "heart" or center of our disagreement. You said that if this was true, then all mankind would be saved. I do not understand that scenario: if Christ died for all humanity, how does this lead to all humanity being saved if the people do not respond to Christ's invitation? If Christ's redemptive power only becomes active when a person accepts Christ, then how is it that you come to the conclusion that all humanity is saved if Christ died for all of the sins of humanity? Therefore, it is a 'gift unopened', a gift that is not opened and forgotten about (to one who rejects Christ). And they reject Christ, paying for their sins forever.I apologize for trying to bring humanity into the equation, but I needed to know where those who believe in the Calvinist side of this issue draw the line in the regeneration process, and I have learned a great deal about that through these posts.Thanks for your input. Blessings, Nolan |