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Subject: Not my will? |
Bible Note: Where is your scriptural support for saying that ALL names were written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world? Divine election is not "fate." That is quite insulting to a holy God who acted purposefully "according to the kind intention of his will" and "after the the counsel of His will." (Ephesians 1:4,9,11). It is not some "dice roll," and without the regeneration of the Holy Spirit the only things we will say or do will be in rejection and rebellion against God. Therefore, the biblical view is not that some WANT to be saved and God refuses them; rather, no one wants to be saved until God changes the hearts of the elect. It is at that point that they choose Christ (Romans 3:10-18; 5:10; 8:7-8) "Predestination fact," as you call it (most actually call this the prescient view) does not jibe with Romans 9:15-24. If I am mistaken, please do an exegesis of that passage and clearly show me where I am mistaken in saying that our predestination is not based on our choices, but solely on God's divine choice and his mercy toward SOME. One thing I will agree with is that only God knows who the elect are who have not trusted Christ yet. Therefore, God's divine election of individuals has not been revealed to us. Again, it not a PATH that is predestined, but rather individuals. The object of verbs like "chose" and "predestined" are Christians, not the gospel nor any plan of salvation. Thanks! --Joe! |