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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Mikeytj | 5886 | ||
Jerimiah 1:5 God tells us that He knew us before He placed us in our Mother's womb. He knew us personaly, not of us, not He had heard of us, but He knew us. The Bible is about God's immense love for us (don't turn this into why did He do this or why did he do that if He loves us). To say that God would intentionally take someone He knows and loves and place them here on earth with the sole purpose of destroying them and sending them to hell, just so those that deem they are included in the "predestined or chosen" group can feel good about themselves and thier stature, etc., is beyond comprehension. Could God do something like this if He desired, sure He could. Would He,,,,that would be a complete turn about of what the message of the Bible is all about. We're here, God knows us personally, and loves us, and we have the right (God given) to chose whether or not to have a relationship with Him through Jesus Christ. I read one of these posts where someone indicated they did not want free will,,,,,well freind you have free will, whether you want it or not, and if you believe, because someone has told you that your predestined by God to be saved, that your ok, you better check into it very soon. All who are foreknown are predestined (Jer 1:5 tells us that all are foreknown), but only those who choose to come to God through Jesus Christ (excersising thier own free will) will receive His salvation. |
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2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 5890 | ||
With all due respect, you didn't address my post's content at all. Jeremiah 1:5 does not tell us that ALL are forewknown! It does not say, "I knew all humans." It says that he knew Jeremiah. If this passage is addressed to all of us, then are all humans also sanctified from the womb, and are we all ordained as prophets? Don't claim things that God spoke to individuals for yourself unless it is clear that God is speaking of a category to which you belong. In this case, He is clearly speaking to one man about him alone. By the way, where is Jeremiah's free will in this passage? Did he agree to be a prophet before he was in the womb? Doesn't it seem to you that God was 100 percent calling the shots here? This verse supports divine election much more than it does a free-will view. Thanks for your comments! Keep searching for truth. --Joe! |
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3 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5909 | ||
Yes, I agree that Jeremiah was chosen before birth to his calling that he would later realize when the Holy Spirit prompted him to fulfill his calling. God knew that Jeremiah would do this in His foreknowledge. However, Jeremiah still had to cooperate with the Holy Spirit working in his life, and he did- proving to be faithful, carrying out God's purpose. He didn't decide to flee to Nineveh like Jonah did, and for that Jeremiah is to be commended for willingly following the Lord like all who are so called (or elected) should. | ||||||
4 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 5919 | ||
That is not what the text says here, Nolan. Show me where Jeremiah HAD to cooperate with the Holy Spirit. Did King Saul cooperate with the Holy Spirit in 1 Samuel? In any case, the Old Testament prophets were by and large different from the NT believers, because, except for a few cases, they were not indwelt by the Holy Spirit, but rather He came upon them to accomplish His purposes. In the case of Jonah, when he was chosen, did he cooperate? Then why was he still a preacher to the Ninevites? God surely respected his "free will," right? ;) You believe in a very weak God, Nolan, if He can say something like he does to Jeremiah in 1:5 and then be thwarted by his creation. There is no "maybe" to God's plan. In your view, if everyone who is a believer suddenly decided to stop evangelizing, the church would DIE OUT! Don't you see the logical conclusions of having such an elevated view of mankind, one that Scripture does not support? --Joe! |
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5 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5923 | ||
I do not believe in an elevated mankind. I see no point in arguing with you about such petty matters- you know where I stand. And I believe in a very powerful God, the same Father who sent His only Son to die for me. I would take issue with you here also but it would be pointless. | ||||||
6 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 5934 | ||
You didn't address anything I said about Saul or Jonah or Jeremiah. I also do not see the threat of the church dying out in an Arminian wordlview to be a "petty matter," and I don't think you really believe that, either. I am not trying to corner you, Nolan. If Arminianism is truly what is revealed in the entire biblical text, I will accept it. I need to be shown it, because I certainly don't see it myself. My own thinking itself did not move to Calvinism until a couple of years ago, because upon examining it (and not some straw man set up by its opponents), I became convinced that it offered the view consistent with the Bible, and answered a great deal of the questions I had regarding my previous views. If you do not have immediate answers to my questions, Nolan, that is fine. I am not in a rush here. I am simply pointing out what I consider to be serious flaws in Arminian thinking. We all should examine our views and let them be directed by the word of God itself. Take the time to think about the answers to these questions. Ask other Arminians you know how they would answer these questions. However, by no means IGNORE them and leave them unanswered, because I think we would both agree that God has not left his nature to be some "guessing game" where we do not know how he operates. If you come up with Arminian answers, please share them with me! May God bless you and lead us both into a complete knowledge of his revealed truth. --Joe! |
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7 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 5941 | ||
It may take some time, but I will seriously consider what you have written in light of your questions. I am starting to see some 'logical thought' about your line of thinking here. I'll let you know what happens. My e-mail address is archangel76@crosswalkmail.com if you find out anything or want to talk about this in the meantime. Thanks Joe, I am a simple person looking for the truth.When I find good answers to your questions, then I will post them here. If I come to the conclusion that I cannot answer certain questions based on Arminianism, then I will let you know.Your brother in Christ, Nolan | ||||||