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NASB | Romans 5:6 ¶ For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 5:6 ¶ While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly. |
Subject: Christ dying only for elect? |
Bible Note: You didn't address anything I said about Saul or Jonah or Jeremiah. I also do not see the threat of the church dying out in an Arminian wordlview to be a "petty matter," and I don't think you really believe that, either. I am not trying to corner you, Nolan. If Arminianism is truly what is revealed in the entire biblical text, I will accept it. I need to be shown it, because I certainly don't see it myself. My own thinking itself did not move to Calvinism until a couple of years ago, because upon examining it (and not some straw man set up by its opponents), I became convinced that it offered the view consistent with the Bible, and answered a great deal of the questions I had regarding my previous views. If you do not have immediate answers to my questions, Nolan, that is fine. I am not in a rush here. I am simply pointing out what I consider to be serious flaws in Arminian thinking. We all should examine our views and let them be directed by the word of God itself. Take the time to think about the answers to these questions. Ask other Arminians you know how they would answer these questions. However, by no means IGNORE them and leave them unanswered, because I think we would both agree that God has not left his nature to be some "guessing game" where we do not know how he operates. If you come up with Arminian answers, please share them with me! May God bless you and lead us both into a complete knowledge of his revealed truth. --Joe! |