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1 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | bartay | 58748 | ||
If I was wrong I apoligise. However, by the tone of your last note it certainly appeared to be gender slanted rather than holisticly human. The whole free will debate revolves around man being an independant participater in the fight between good and evil. This is not true, either we do what God wants of us or we die being a servant to Satanic law. Jesus when he was tempted by the Devil had no choice to make. Because he was from God he was naturally going to do what God wanted of him. If he did decide to make a choice it would have been to go along with the Devils' temptations. However because he didn't give in to temptation, because he was following God, there was no choice to make. If however he decided by using his own mind, rather than God's scriptures in his word, to succumb to the temptation, then he would have been sinning. Which concludes that free will thinking is sinful because it goes against God's will. |
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2 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58759 | ||
Ok. Let me get this straight. I don't have free will, because as long as I make no choices then I stand where God put me. Making a choice means I'm standing with the Devil, and which point that's free will but not? So, question 1: How did I get in right standing with God in the first place? As a Christian, I believe I heard about Jesus, and accepted Him, received Him--- I'm really struggling here not to use the word chose since you're telling me I didn't have a choice, Do you get why this is confusing to me? And I apologize too. I wasn't angry or anything when I wrote the former post, and I truly believe/meant everything I said/explained as how I see/read the Scriptures (this is a new habit for me. I feel like I've been amplified!---but I do want to be clear and not waste alot of time arguing about specific words/meanings as long as I'm getting my point across)to continue my apology--but I did write it with rather a snippy attitude. Pretty much the way/manner I used explaining my take on Gen3 when my 22 year old son had a go trying with me some of the chauvanism play he uses with his girlfriends. It wasn't meant to be ugly, but it was sardonic; genuinely held but delivered more sarcastically than it should have been. You weren't imagining it. I'm still hoping to have free will cleared up a bit. I'm thinking we're arguing semantics here, but that could be useful, too. Melanie |
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3 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | bartay | 58878 | ||
Hi Melanie, In answer to your first question Jesus said you must be born again. Now how are we born again, through our own choice or through God's choice? Jesus said we must be born of the water and the Spirit. How can we choose to do this? (John 3:3) John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. It is obvious from this scripture that God draws those he has chosen to believe. There is no choice involved. He chose those, who he draws, before the foundation of the earth, predestinating them for adoption as sons and daughters of God.. Ephesians 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Jesus never done or said anything which wasn’t from His Father. He didn’t make choices of whom he would heal, or talk to, or what to talk about. This was all from His Heavenly Father whom he followed without question John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. Jesus’ cried in the Garden of Gethsemene that with God all things are possible so couldn’t he have chosen another way for his plan to be fulfilled, but realising this was what he was asking, for God to change his plan at the last minute, he also acknowledged that through the will of God was the only way the plan could be executed. He wasn’t making a choice, He was saying god’s will must prevail over mans will. Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. Barry |
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4 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58912 | ||
You've just listed many of my favorite verses. Yet I have always gone to them when I am feeling overwhelmed by the world. Drawing on them to give me strength when family, friends, or just circumstances are assailing me over some small or large thing. I am trying to understand this. I am wondering how backsliding falls within this as you would explain it. Thanks, Melanie |
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5 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | bartay | 59110 | ||
Hi Melanie, I don't quite understand what you mean by backsliding. If God has chosen us, and takes responsibility to keep us, then we cannot backslide. Someone who says they have backsliden have actually self willingly denied the hope of our faith. To backslide really means you were never there in the first place, except in your own self willed mind. Barry |
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6 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | Hank | 59112 | ||
Hello, Barry (and Melanie). As a point of reference on backsliding, you may wish to see my post #55056. In brief, backsliding is a term foreign to the New Testament; it is used a few times in the Old Testament [especially in the KJV], but it never means "losing one's salvation" in any of the contexts. "Losing one's salvation" because of failure to do good works is just as much an impossiblity as earning it by good works in the first place. If by "backsliding" people are talking about losing their salvation, they are flying aloft on the hot air of whim and opinion; they are not being guided in their flight by Scripture. The God Who through His Son gives salvation by grace through faith has made no provision for taking it away. If, on the other hand, one uses "backslide" to mean falling away from one's walk (fellowship) with God, that's quite possible of course, though the New Testament doesn't use the term "backslide" and it assuredly doesn't teach or remotely suggest that "backsliding" is synonymous with "losing one's salvation." I'd suggest it wise to slash both terms from our theological word book, since neither has any meaning in the New Covenanant. --Hank | ||||||
7 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 59131 | ||
I have always equated backsliding/backsliders with those Peter would rather not be in 2Peter 2:21. It seemed to me he is saying that he would rather to be one who just died ignorant of the Truth and just get tossed into the lake of fire on judgement day, then to be one who has been saved and stood to face God's judgement as a backslider. I was not equating backsliding with works though. I see your point. Thank you, Melanie |
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