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1 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | bartay | 58585 | ||
When God formed Adam from the dust of the ground, Adam had no input into whether he was to be formed or not. This was God’s choice entirely. Adam had no free will input into the decision. When Adam was placed into the Garden, this also was God’s choice and Adam had no participation into this decision either. Adam’s sojourn in the Garden was going along splendidly it wasn’t until Eve was made from the bone and flesh of Adam that the wheels began to fall off. Eve decided, through free will thought, that God’s command was something that didn’t need to be heeded to, and so instead she obeyed the promptings of the Serpent. Again this was not a free will decision the actual thoughts for the disobedience came from the Serpent. This was the first step towards being expelled from God’s presence. The second, and final step was Adam also being coerced into using his free willed thinking to obey the woman and disobey God. The scriptures encourage us to be servants or slaves to God and his commands. Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. A servant does not use his own willed thoughts to serve, but does the bidding of him whom he serves. We are not only encouraged to be a servant to God but also to one another. This would seem to persuade against using free will to serve. Eve’s disobedience, in the Garden, was not a free will attempt at using her own mind to sum things up. It was a rebellious act of disobeying God, and allowing the promptings of the Devil (Serpent) to rule in her mind. She had shaken off the servitude to God and his righteousness, and instead chosen to become a servant to Satan. Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? There is only two powers at war in this our world. One is God the other is Satan. Man has no free willed power to shape anything in this world, for him or for others; all influence comes from one or the other of these powers Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. It would appear that so-called free will thinking is another word for rebellion against God and his word. The choice of obeying the Serpent and so disobeying God brings eternal death to those who profess the right. Our freedom in Christ is being a servant, and a servant obeys without choice. 1 Corinthians 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. Barry |
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2 | Not my will? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58634 | ||
We were created to rule the earth and everything in/on it. How do you rule without free will? God said it. You rule it, you name it. My Bible tells me Woman wasn't created when God gave the instructions about the fruit. So who changed God's Word and set her up to be successfully tricked into the sin of EATING it by telling her she was forbidden to eat it or touch it? Who named Woman and was the Head in their pairing? And as such stood as her spiritual leader, authority and protector? And where was he when the devil was leading her down the garden path? Genesis 3:6 says he was with her, so why didn't he open his mouth? Why is he just sitting there letting this snake get away with this? He had an obligation and responsibility to her that came with being the one to name her as well as the fact that she was bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. Sounds to me like somebody used somebody as a poison-taster. When asked what she had done, Woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." I did it, but I was tricked. We'll just skip the fact that her Man stood right there and watched the whole thing, and I'll ask instead, what would have happened if Man had grabbed her arm and drug her butt off to God and said, "He tricked her! She had bad information and that snake tricked her! Once she touched it and nothing happened she figured the whole thing was bogus and she ate it! Yes, she thought she was being disobedient when she touched it, but she doesn't have the authority to make those kinds of decisions anyway. You gave that to me! I rule here!" But we'll never know. He didn't do that, did he? He ate the fruit. Nobody twisted his arm. Nobody talked him into it. Nobody told him to do it. She gave it to him and he ate it. When God confronted him, he said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the the tree, and I ate it." I did it, but she gave it to me, and you gave her to me. So he wasn't just blaming Woman, he was blaming God too. It wasn't his fault. He was arguing he didn't have any responsibility or free will either. Somethings never change. And you argue that poor old helpless mindless no-will of his own Man was punished by God because he listened to Woman instead of God. Somethings really never do change. There you go adding stuff to the Word of God, too. My Bible says that he was punished because he listened to Woman. Period. He's the head remember? She's supposed to listen to him, not vice versa. I could be wrong there, but it makes more sense when you consider her punishment. She's going to give him babies and its going to hurt worse than anything she could ever imagine, so bad in fact that we don't really remember how bad it was until we start having the next one and so bad that it hurts the Man just watching it, yet her desire for him is going to keep her coming back for it again and again. Says pretty much without any doubt, 'Now are we clear who is RULER in this little pas de deux?' I've always thought someone who is deceived or tricked is by definition a dupe. Not too bright. But you think poor old mindless no will Man was doing just fine until the big bad too smart and strong for him Woman caused his wheels to start falling off. But God didn't say that either, did he? He said, "Cursed is the ground because of you." But that's just how a woman reads those verses. |
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