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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58642 | ||
This forum feels like a church where I can't feel the presence of Jesus. Thankfully there are a few who just shine with Him and make it bearable. I have tried to leave it, but the Spirit keeps making me come back. Just like a church I can't leave because God doesn't give me the authority to judge my church. So I give up. Tell me what a Calvinist thinks God sees when He looks at you? Teach me to understand. I believe I am covered by the Blood. I think when God looks at me, He sees someone who has been cleansed in the Blood of the Lamb. I think I shine. I have been washed white as snow. I wear the righteousness of my risen Savior. How can I accept that He has done all this for me, then say I am totally depraved? I died in Christ! If I have given myself to Him as His servant, His slave, His child, His bride, and I say I am not changed and transformed by it, if I insist I am not a new creature altogether by it---is that not spiritual adultery? I keep praying and reading my Bible and the Spirit keeps bringing me to Scriptures testifying to the authority and love and forgiveness and compassion and justice and mercy of God, then I come back to the forum and get slammed by people who want me to grant Paul's words the same authority of Jesus's words, who want me to acclaim that I am filth, that God limits Himself, that evil is stronger than Him, and who want to convince me that the source of all my joy is actually a God who's walking around with a baseball bat just waiting for the opportunity to bash me or any of His other followers! That's Allah, not God! I'm so sorry. You didn't even do most of this yet I vent all over you. I really meant it, teach me, Calvinist. There is obviously something here God wants me to learn and it looks like you are elected. Oh thank goodness! I haven't lost my sense of humor. Elected; get it? God bless and I look forward to hearing from you. |
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2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 58792 | ||
You wrote: "I believe I am covered by the Blood. I think when God looks at me, He sees someone who has been cleansed in the Blood of the Lamb. I think I shine. I have been washed white as snow. I wear the righteousness of my risen Savior. How can I accept that He has done all this for me, then say I am totally depraved? I died in Christ! If I have given myself to Him as His servant, His slave, His child, His bride, and I say I am not changed and transformed by it, if I insist I am not a new creature altogether by it---is that not spiritual adultery?" I don't know if I would call it "spiritual adultery," but it seems that you misunderstand the Reformed doctrine of total (or radical) depravity. The term is primarily used to biblically describe those who are WITHOUT Christ. What you have described above is pretty close to the Calvinist teaching. I don't know about "shining," but being clothed in Christ's righteousness and being a new creation are things that I hold as well. "I keep praying and reading my Bible and the Spirit keeps bringing me to Scriptures testifying to the authority and love and forgiveness and compassion and justice and mercy of God, then I come back to the forum and get slammed by people who want me to grant Paul's words the same authority of Jesus's words"... Are you saying that some parts of Scripture are more inspired than others? Paul doesn;t contradict Jesus at all in his writings, so any case of "pitting them against each other" is a mistake. ..."who want me to acclaim that I am filth"... I certainly wouldn't want you to do that. ..."that God limits Himself"... In what way are people saying that God limits himself? ..."that evil is stronger than Him"... Well, that is about as far from the Reformed idea of God's sovereignty as one can get. ..."and who want to convince me that the source of all my joy is actually a God who's walking around with a baseball bat just waiting for the opportunity to bash me or any of His other followers! That's Allah, not God!" I don't know if that iis an accurate portrayal of Allah, but I agree that our God is not like that at all. At the same time, God is a God who does discipline his children. That is not "baseball bat bashing," but it is also not easy street. God does want us to grow up (Epheisans 4:11-17) and not be immature in the faith. God had predestined us to be conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:29), and not just to be washed in the blood. That is certainly what is necessary for us to go to heaven, but God doesn't stop with just forgiving us either. Jesus calls us to follow him. And that is where our continuing joy comes from, in glorifying our God. --Joe! |
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