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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | inHzsvc | 5889 | ||
Ro 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) Ro 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. Ro 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Ro 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. Ro 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Ro 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. From your post, it is apparent that you are trying to humanize your beliefs rather than taking the Word of God. I don't say this to offend--we all do this from time to time. I am sure that you grew up hearing the Arminianism that you believe preached as most have. However, you need to consider some things. Man is so evil, that he could never and would never choose God of his own free will. I Cor. 2:14 tells us, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." Man, in his natural state, will NEVER choose God--he doesn't have the ability and he doesn't have the desire. That is called Total Depravity. Man is not partially depraved, but, totally depraved. So, man deserves hell and desires to be separated from God. However, we serve a gracious God who, by and through His grace, saves some. Now, as to the blood of Christ (which is of the utmost importance). For whom did Christ die? He either, 1) paid for every sin of every human being who has ever been born--if this is so, all will be saved because, legally, they do not owe a sin debt--it has been paid. 2) paid for some of the sins of all men--if this is so, all will be lost because they still owe a sin debt. 3) paid for all of the sins of some men (the elect)--if this is so, some will be saved and others will pay for their sin debt eternally--we know, this is the truth. Everybody limits the atonement. You limit the power of it in that it doesn't saved--it merely makes salvation "possible". I limit it as to extent because I believe Christ's atoning blood saved some. Many passages refer to Christ dying for "many", "his people", his "sheep", etc. There's a reason the Word of God is specific. God bless. |
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2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58474 | ||
How awful!!! So you think John 3:16 is just bupkis? And the prophecy of Jeremiah 31:33-34 was a mistake? And what about 2Corinthians 5:18? I don't limit God at all. My Bible tells me that through God all things are possible. It also tells me that there is NO SUCH THING AS TOTAL DEPRAVITY AS YOU WOULD DESCRIBE/DEFINE IT. He who is in me is greater than he who is in the world. Wow! Suddenly I understand this Calvinism/Armenian thing and it ain't pretty, is it? |
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3 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | inHzsvc | 58725 | ||
Actually, you don't understand the Calvinism/Arminian thing. I Cor. 2:14 says, "..the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him, neither CAN he know them for they are spiritually discerned." And again, Jhn. 6:44 says, "no man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him..." You don't understand the fall. Man is not sick, he is dead (Eph. 2:1). If your view is correct, there is still some good in man. However, the Bible says, "there is none that doeth good" (Psa. 14:1, Psa. 14:3, Psa. 53:1, Psa. 53:3, Rom. 3:12). There is nothing within man that wants God unless God convicts him of his sin and shows him he needs a Savior. I pray you will consider this and not just defend preconceived ideas. |
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4 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58730 | ||
Well, I was washed in the Blood which makes me alive and cleansed. And if I seek God, persistently, I will be restored. I did, do everyday of my life, and even every hour of every day on many, many days, so I think I shine with my Savior's righteousness when God looks at me. One or the other of you are arguing that God is the one who planted the persistence in me and that its preordained that I would awaken to that one day/ somehow, causing me to seek. So basically we're talking here a 'which comes first, the chicken or the egg' argument and I don't know how we'd ever know who was right or wrong on that issue until our Lord comes back to claim His own. I do wonder how you work in the parable of the sower and the seeds in Matthew though. That was a legitimate inquiry by the way. I am considering this. And I also wonder how those on the side of only some being amongst the elect deal with Jeremiah 31:33-34 I also don't get how you think I am defending preconceived ideas since I only just came to the conclusion it was pretty awful with the post you read. In Christ, Melanie |
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