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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Lionstrong | 5468 | ||
Homer; I haven't seen this verse shared much when talking about Jesus dying for the elect, but here it is: Gal 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. My point in sharing this verse is to demonstrate what it means for Jesus to die FOR someone. If Jesus has died for someone, it means that he has taken their place before the law of God. He has taken the punishment that person deserved and now there is no punishment left for that person. That person's guilt is gone, paid for by the blood of Christ. The verse also illustrates that salvation is personal not impersonal. God knew Paul by name and chose him. He didn't throw out some salvation net and hope He'd pull in a big catch. No salvation is personal not impersonal. We're known and chosen before the world began (Eph 1:4) Here are a few more verses: John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day." Again, Do you see how personal election is? The work of Christ on the cross is not a blanket salvation that covers everyone whether they belive or not. Matt 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save HIS people from their sins." (my Emphasis) Matt 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Matt 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." for "many" not "all." My brother Nolan's statement makes no sense, "If He only came to die for certain people, then what assurance do we have in our salvation?" And scripture says different. God gives abundant assurance to those who believe in His Son: John 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. Lionstrong |
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2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Ray | 6472 | ||
Hi Lionstrong, It appears that you started a long string of conversation. I was led by your references to compare Rom 5:6 with Gal 2:17 rather than 2:20 but I appreciated your comments and want to talk further with you. I keyed on the word "while". "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly." Rom 5:6 compared to Gal 2:17, "But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners..." Rom 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that *while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood..." compare this with Gal 2:19, "...is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be...that I may live to God. I have been crucified with *Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me..." Romans 6:4, "...so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of (His) death...." compared with Gal 2:20, "...and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered (Himself) up for me." (Parenthesis for comparison). This is indeed very personal. I hope that the Potter who can choose anyone He wants will keep us worthy as servants and sons of our Lord. Later, Ray |
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3 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Lionstrong | 6516 | ||
Joe does a much better job of explaining and defending limited atonement than I do, Ray. | ||||||