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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Percival | 6427 | ||
Finally, the discussion between the disciples of Calvin and the disciples of Arminus erupts into the familiar lines of bigotry. Calvinists have well proved the utter depravity of man, and the doctrine of exclusion, excuse me, election. A single avowed Arminist has allowed free will to run amok. But the valiant defenders of their faith held their ground and gouged an eye for an eye. Now, even so, the revelation to that famous heretic, Martin Luther, is given to us, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." (Ephesians 2:8) It is good to know that this verse applies even to extremists and self-righteous saints. "Let not then your good be evil spoken of." (Romans 14:16) Have you all been sleeping well? Praise the Lord! |
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2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 6451 | ||
Such florid language, and yet what does it say? And is this individual who accused me of "name calling" now referring to me as a "bigot"? :) It is hard to see where you are coming from due to your vague, tongue-in-cheek post. Do you seriously consider Luther a heretic? Are you yourself a disciple of Rome? I wouldn't call rightly discerning the nature of God "extremism." You may prefer ignorance, but God did not reveal Himself in his word so that we may remain blissfully unaware of what He is like. And, for the record, my righteousness is completely found in Christ (Galatians 2:20, Philippians 3:8-9, Titus 3:5), which is indeed a properly understood Calvinist view, no matter how "extreme" that may seem. And I am wide awake! (1 Peter 1:13) --Joe! |
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3 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Percival | 6489 | ||
Joe, I’m sorry you don’t like my manner of speech. I am only attempting to be correct. *Bigotry - The acts or beliefs characteristic of a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices.* I was addressing all who had become precisely as described in the above definition. If you feel that I was speaking of you, then perhaps you are correct. I have never studied under Rome. My naming Martin Luther as an heretic was to exemplify the bandying about of the term. He was, if you remember, pronounced heretic. I do not consider him to be any more heretic than our brave Arminian brother. Truly, you seem to consider yourself more discerning and more aware than anybody with a different view. The record of your righteousness is duly noted. Do you afford the same righteousness to others in Christ Jesus? Are we not included in the blessings of Galatians 2:20, Philippians 3:8 and 9, and Titus 3:5? I believe these verses are Christian, not Calvinist. I see that you are wide awake, and appreciate the power of your convictions. Praise the Lord! |
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4 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 6513 | ||
Your manner of speech doesn't trouble me in the slightest. Your hypocrisy in "correcting" me in the tone of my response to Nolan while referring to me as a "bigot" I just found strange... I am 10 percent open to discussing other viewpoints. If I am wrong in the historical interpretation of God's methods and motive in salvation, please point that out to me from Scripture. I have yet to see anyone effectively address the problems I have with an Arminian view in light of clearly expounded passages to the contrary in Scripture. You speak of Calvinism as if it is something other than Christian. Do you hold the two as mutually exclusive? Yes, I hold to my views because I believe they are correct. Everyone does that, including yourself. Likewise, due to the law of non-contradiction, I hold opposing views to be wrong. By claiming that salvation is by God's grace through faith and not of works, does that make me "narrow-minded" to views that I must work my way to heaven? In the same manner, is my conviction that the Calvinist view is correct mean that I think Arminians are wrong? Absolutely. Do I think that means that no Arminians are saved? Of course not. Am I open to discussion on the issue? Without question. Has any discussion that has ensued on the topic satisfactorily addressed my concerns with an Arminian view in light of Ephesians 1, Romans 9:15 ff, John 6:35-65, etc.? Not at all. In short, do I think that I am right? Of course I do. If I thought I was wrong, I would believe something else. You painting me as someone who is convinced that he is right and others are wrong is what philosophers call a "red herring." Everyone falls into that category. Thanks! --Joe! |
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5 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Percival | 6539 | ||
Joe, I tried to find my hypocrisy, but could not. My definition of bigotry is correct. 10 percent is not a lot to work with. No, Calvinists are Christians, but Christians are not necessarily Calvinists. The law of non-contradiction is not in the Bible, and dependent on the original postulation. Nobody has mentioned working their way into heaven. Joe, thank you for clarifying this point. I am sincere in this. Though your stance is dogmatic, you are not preaching condemnation, and I am relieved. Faith, no 'red herring' was intended. You are most welcome! Praise the Lord! |
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6 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 6542 | ||
You are right; 10 percent is not a lot to work with. Sorry about the typo! :) The law of non-contradiction may not be explicitly stated in the Bible, but it is pretty hard to reason without it. For example, the Bible clearly says that there is one God. That means there is not more than one God nor less than one God. If God is just, that means that he is not unjust. That is just simple logic, and everyone operates with an understanding of the law of non-contradiction, whether they admit to it or not. Likewise, if Calvinism is an accurate representation of God's revealed plan, then Arminianism cannot be, due to the fact that they make contradictory claims. The vice versa holds true as well. Thanks again. --Joe! |
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