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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 6332 | ||
Calvinists viewpoints on hell..1) True2) True3) True4) This is an age old Calvinistic opinion "not due to our choice" goes into predestination with the contention that we are not saved by choice (eliminating free will). This means that a person who is not 'elected' to salvation has no hope to repent and conversely the person who's election is predestined has no need to repent. This has no Scriptural support, so it must be a misinterpretation.5) False - God IS obligated because He obligated Himself. Question: Who has the authority to obligate God? God!! Due to God's pure nature He cannot go back on His Word. Read Acts 10:34-43. His Word states that He is not a respecter of persons. It is funny that Peter said this while he was working with the first Gentile conversions. (Gentiles were the first 'non-elect'.)6) Why are you using the word "Kindness" instead of salvation? Is God just being "nice" by offering salvation or is that his plan for mankind? Grace refers to salvation, kindness is a different thing.7) If this is the case, then you have to maintain that grace is universally available. Another missed point, you really must get back to context on Romans! Paul wrote Romans to those that were already saved. His references to 'elect' are to those who have FOLLOWED the 'Roman's road' to salvation. Read Romans 5:17-18 and 3:23, 6:23, 5:8, Acts 2:38. God intends to save everyone but the failure is not His but belongs to the individual. (1 Peter 3:9).I hope that you can answer some of these flaws that I have shown about your Calvinistic beliefs. Don't worry, I'm not in a hurry. You can go consult with your Calvinistic friends and get with them first before answering these flaws in Calvinism. But I do ask that you would not IGNORE them, since that would prove that Calvinism is not able to answer such flaws.Thank you for your thoughts!-Nolan! | ||||||
2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | reformedreader | 6346 | ||
Part 2 to Nolan, To your statements; “Grace refers to salvation, kindness is a different thing” and “…you have to maintain that grace is universally available”, well, it is but that does not mean that all grace is universally salvific in nature. God’s grace bestows mercy on the godless as well as the godly just as He bestows wrath on the godly just as He does on the godless. You have erred in forcing the word “grace” to have reference only to salvation. John 1:14 states that Jesus was full of grace but that hardly refers to Jesus needing salvation, does it Nolan? Don’t force words to have only the meaning you want them to have. This is wrongly dividing the Word of God. Nolan, perhaps you need to heed your own adivce by your following statements to Reformer Joe; “Another missed point, you really must get back to context on Romans! Paul wrote Romans to those that were already saved. His references to 'elect' are to those who have FOLLOWED the 'Roman's road' to salvation”. Actually Nolan, what you call “Romans road” did not exist when Paul wrote this epistle. Don’t you think both God and Paul knew what they were writing? Since when do you think God needs 20th century slogans to save those whom He calls? In fact, the actual contextual recipients of Romans are those to whom God has called to receive salvation (v. 6,7). And, if Isa. 55:11 can escape your inclusionary opinions, then God means what He says and not what you want Him to be saying. If God calls an individual to receive salvation (which, by the way, no person can come to Christ unless they are called by the Father, John 6:44), then according to Isa. 55:11 God’s intent to save that person by calling him to receive salvation will be successfully accomplished. So, your statement, “God intends to save everyone but the failure is not His but belongs to the individual” is also false. If God’s intention is to save everyone, then everyone must be called by the Father for the purpose of receiving salvation according to Isa. 55:11 and John 6:44. John also states that whomever the Fathers calls, the Son will raise him up on the last day which refers to the eternal resurrection of those who are found in the Lamb’s book of life. There is absolutey nothing at all in either Isaiah or John that says anything at all about man choosing or the fault is man’s for not being saved. This is clearly an Arminian inclusion or insertion onto the text in order to self-justify a man-centered doctrine of a false gospel. If anyone preaches a gospel other than what John clearly and unambiguously states in verses 44, then one is preaching a false gospel. To your statement to Reformer Joe; “I hope that you can answer some of these flaws that I have shown about your Calvinistic beliefs”, perhaps Nolan, you would spend your time gaining a more correct understanding of Holy Scripture and Calvinistic theology. Reformer Joe has not consulted with me and he doesn’t need to. He merely relies on what God states without embellishing God’s word. Sam Hughey |
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3 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | Makarios | 6354 | ||
Once again on this issue, I believe that I have been misquoted, misunderstood and still unable to fathom the fullness of Reformed theology. The Calvinistic view of predestination has been represented by many on this Forum and I find myself in bewilderment at trying to understand this point of view. I feel that any further attempt to add or contribute to this discussion would only fuel more misinterpretation, misguidance, and confusion and I therefore will not participate any longer to this subject by writing in this thread or addressing it on this Forum. Rest assured, I study the Truth and seek the Truth. If you have found the Truth in Calvinism and if this works for you, then by all means, you have every right to continue, since the Gospel will still be preached (Phil. 1:15-18). I however, will not subscribe to this interpretation of these discussions and I will no longer contribute my efforts into understanding the reformed position. I will not reply to this note or to any further discussion thereof of this subject. | ||||||
4 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | reformedreader | 6362 | ||
Nolan, I'm sorry to see you no longer desire to defend your beliefs or to refute Calvinism. I realize you won't respond to this but I would be less than honorable if I fail to respond to more of your false claims. Perhaps you did not understand anything I wrote or you just simply chose to ignore everything I wrote, but nowhere did I ever misquote you and after having believed what you believe for 9 years prior to my conversion to Reformed theology, I know quite well both how and why you view salvation as you do. I advise you to look again at both the 9th commandment (Ex. 20:16) and Eph. 4:25,29. Making light of your accusations and God's holy word will have consequences that will follow you in all that you say and do on this forum and elsewhere. It is a sin to falsley accuse someone and dishonorable to ridicule someone's biblical belief while refusing to acknowledge the plain and simple truth in God's holy word. I pray you at least reconsider your actions even if you no longer desire to discuss this issue. Sam Hughey |
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