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1 | Holy Spirit's power of Conviction | Rom 5:6 | Chris | 5855 | ||
I don't think I've behaved in such a way for you to question my motives. You seem to want to put more words in my mouth than I do yours, so my asking about replacement theology should have been responded to with the same respect our other correspondences have had. The reason I want to know is, as I stated, my interpretation of Rm 9 hinges on an unsaved Jacob. The people of GOD in the O.T. would naturally question GOD saving Gentiles and forfeiting Jews, I think Paul makes it quite clear that this is what he is writing about. I assume from your response you do accept replacement theology, so please try to be open-minded with my interpretation. 1 ¶ I tell the truth in Christ, I do not lie, my conscience bearing witness with me in the Holy Spirit, 2 that my grief is great, and a never ceasing pain is in my heart, 3 for I myself was wishing to be a curse from Christ on behalf of my brothers, my kinsmen according to flesh, 4 who are Israelites, whose are the adoption and the glory, and the covenants, and the Lawgiving, and the service, and the promises; 5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to flesh, He being God over all, blessed forever. Amen. I believe this clearly shows that the following passage is about the unsaved Jews, not Christians. 6 ¶ Not, however, that God's word has failed. For not all those of Israel are Israel, Paul says that GOD's word has not failed, and he is going to justify that comment. 7 nor because they are Abraham's seed are all children, but "In Isaac a Seed shall be called to you." Gen. 21:12 8 That is: Not the children of flesh are children of God, but the children of the promise are counted for a seed. 9 For the word of promise is this, According to this time I will come, and a son will be to Sarah. Gen. 18:10 So, being the son of Abraham does not guarantee the promise, so GOD does not have to save the Jews. The promise went to only Isaac not to Ishmael. |
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2 | Holy Spirit's power of Conviction | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 5859 | ||
Honestly, Chris, I haven't examined the Reformed arguments for the replacement of Israel. I do know the Dispensationalist argument, albeit without the Scriptural support behind it. I must admit at first glance I have a problem with the notion that the so-called "Church Age" is just a parenthetical period of time in God's larger dealing with Israel, which is most often the way it has been presented to me. God's promise to Abraham was that ALL nations would be blessed through his seed. It doesn't seem that that was some sort of "oh, by the way" kind of thing to me. I also have problems with the opposing notion that the church is identified 100 percent with Israel. What I mean by this is that every promise that was made to the nation of Israel is not something I as a Gentile believer can just claim as my own. It may just be lack of interest on my part in this area (which may be wrong in itself), but most of the "future glory of Israel" stuff is tied in heavily with eschatology, and I have a knee-jerk reaction against majoring in this area, since this is MUCH more speculative in nature and really doesn't occupy a central place in Scripture when compared to the nature of God and the person and work of Christ. I probably should investigate both sides a little more clearly, and look at the Scriptures in this area. Perhaps I will do that soon. The reason I said that I did not think it was germane, however, is that the vessels referred to in Romans 9 are not Israel and the rest of the world, but individuals. If we look at verses 22, 23 and 24, we see that the vessels of honor are plural, and the vessells of wrath are as well. In verse 24 Paul specifies that the vessels refer to us, who are OF the Jews and OF the Gentiles. Even if Paul speaks about the future of ethnic groups in Romans 9-12, I am not convinced that these "vessels" are nations, but rather I hold that they are people (such as the Jewish apostles and the Gentile believers and those from both groups who reject Christ). Sorry if I was too abrupt there. --Joe! |
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