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1 | Holy Spirit's power of Conviction | Rom 5:6 | Chris | 5799 | ||
Yes, He is an active GOD, but you make my view seem dense. If GOD is actively involved everyday in every person's life convicting them and giving them signs and witnesses before they're saved, and then of course after they're saved the activity only increases. Is that sitting back and taking steps when necessary? Not in my thinking! As far as Rom 3, I am fine with that but we have a difference of opinion on what the Holy Spirit is doing! I believe Jn 16:8-11 shows that the Holy Spirit convicts the world (all who do not have Christ) of their sin(Rm.3), because they do not believe in Him. I don't remember using the words "kicking and screaming" I think you assume I have no understanding of the terms 5-pointers use, but I do. I'm no expert, but I've heard this speech before and it blows my mind that believing is a Biblical requirement for salvation so many more times than any ‘choice' but to cover that 5-pointers say, well, GOD made me do it. The Bible sure doesn't make it sound that way! Does God only have mercy for some? You think that God is required to show mercy to all or none. What does Romans 9:15-18 tell us? Which reflects God's true character? I believe that GOD has CHOSEN to offer Grace to all. The fact that He doesn't have to, just shows what a Merciful GOD He is! Rm 9:15-18 states what GOD can do, but you have to look at the examples to see what He did do! Egypt was promised punishment in Genesis, Pharaoh was the tyrant in control at the time of Egypt's judgement. And, GOD was merciful and compassionate to Moses. So, in both cases, if you look at the history, GOD was too merciful to be just, but He never hardened anyone without just cause! Paul was an expert in the O.T. his references do not, in my opinion, simply stand on their own. You have to know the background. A God "that allows some to be saved and some to be lost" is more of a description of the image of God YOU hold to. First of all, do you disagree that God allows some to be lost? If God did not allow it, it would not happen. People will spend an eternity in Hell, so God does allow some to be lost. Calvinists hold that God does not merely ALLOW men to be saved, but rather that God is the sole and efficient CAUSE of salvation, from start to finish (Romans 8:28-30). Poor choice of words on my part, but we both got the point. GOD, I believe, would allow someone to reject Him, but He would never simply reject someone without offering them redemption. Check out Rm 9:22, "What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath PREPARED for destruction?" (The word in all caps, in the original language suggest self-preparation. In other words, the vessels of wrath prepared themselves for destruction, GOD did not.) Why do you quote Rm 8:28-30, we both know there is no Biblical proof of what ‘foreknowledge' is, so to suggest that those verses prove something is ridiculous. Calvinists and Armenians use these verses to prove their points depending on what foreknowledge means, citing that text proves nothing. |
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2 | Who is the Potter? Who is the clay? | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 5840 | ||
"On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, 'Why did you make me like this,' will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory" -- Romans 9:20-23 Now taking Romans 9:22 in context, do we have the slightest bit of wiggle room to suggest that we "prepared ourselves" for destruction? Who is the potter? Who is the clay? Who has the right over the clay? Who molds the clay as a vessel for common use? And, of course, the question Paul states at the beginning of the passage: Who are you to tell the Creator what to do with his creation? By the way, the Greek word KATARTIZO carries no such connotation of "self-preparation," but rather is a term used by artisans and architects which means to fit, or prepare. It is also used of framing something, of making something fit a particular area. All consistent with the Reformed view. Do we REALLY need the Greek to get the meaning of this when we have an abundance of crystal-clear context? This is what I mean by the mental somersaults people have to do to maintain an Arminian standpoint. --Joe! |
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3 | Who is the Potter? Who is the clay? | Rom 5:6 | godskid | 5844 | ||
God the Father is the Potter. Creating us in His image. Having His plan for us to success, to prosper. He is the guider by the power of the Holy Spirit. The light unto our feet and a light unto our path. His glory lights the way and brings darkness to an end. The clay is pliable, will be directed and guided. It will succeed because the Creator is doing the work. The clay is only the vessel being used for the Creator. What an honor, to have the Creator mold, guide and purpose our existence. There is no failure or uncertainy. All is known from the beginning to the end. AMEN. Glory to God, our Father, through the Blood of Jesus we have the Victory. | ||||||