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1 | Holy Spirit's power of Conviction | Rom 5:6 | Chris | 5796 | ||
My belief about election/freewill is that both are true(better stated election/responsibility, I believe the Bible clearly teaches that non-believers will be to blame for not choosing Christ, and that one I can show you in Rom. 9.), and we will never understand how! (Unless GOD decides to reveal it to us in heaven.) Limited atonement is refuted all over the Bible by John, Paul, and Peter, but these verses are 'interpreted' in an unusal way to make the 5-points work. I've made this comment before, but I know there are alot of gifts and lots of wisdom I do not have but what I do have is a sound mind and the ability to reason, and for me to rearrange verses to believe any doctrine, is wrong and my conscience cannot bear it. My understanding of 'world' does include everyone but the apostles in John 16; because, they have already realized their need for Christ through His divine choice. John uses the same word for world in John 3:16 and I believe in that usage it included everyone, including the disciples because He was speaking in general rather than specific terms, as to who has been saved and who has not. Also, in Jn. 16 Jesus uses judgment and conviction in vs 8-11. Are these the same word and if not what is the significance? Lastly, I have always gone to 'dispensational' churches and they have always been 'election' folks. Are most dispensationalist not this way? Dallas Theological Seminary is VERY much pro-Election doctrine; although, they are willing to say that they cannot understand it all. (Not 5-point Calvin, but 4, Limited Atonement.) About Rom. 9, I believe if I was so inclined I could work around these verses as easily as 5-pointers work around, say I Tim 2:4. But, I admit it is a strech. My point with Mr. Wesley is that he probably studied the Bible as much as anyone and the Spirit was strong in his life, and he, unlike some great saints, was quite careful about doctrine (specifically, election, I mean he studied it!) and yet the Spirit chose not to move him in Calvin's direction. So, if its that important the Spirit would not leave Spirit-filled saints on the side-lines. |
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2 | Holy Spirit's power of Conviction | Rom 5:6 | Reformer Joe | 5798 | ||
When I have heard dispensationalists say that they cannot understand it all, it is usually because they pre-suppose free-willism. It is some "unfathomable mystery" until you put free-willism aside, then it does come together pretty nicely. Please take the time and inclination to take a hard look at Romans 9 to come up with some alternative interpretation. 1 Timothy 2:4 is not that much of a stretch. If we want to avoid the heresy of universalism and maintain that Scripture is inspired and non-contradictory, we have to look closely at the context of passages and correctly determine whether "all men" means "all individuals" or "all kinds of men." Wesley even argued with His own brother about a great number of the fundamentals of Scripture. The fact that sincere and fruitful Christians disagree does not mean that there is no clear revelation on the issue. People bring their own pre-suppositions to the Bible all the time. I think it would be a little much to assume that Augustine and Luther and Calvin and Wesley and others did not bring some of their own. Fallible human beings such as myself and yourself often interpret Scripture wrongly. That does not mean that there is not any answer revealed, but rather that we should as brothers in Christ vigorously debate the matters in order to come to a knowledge of the truth in matters that ARE addressed in Scripture, and God's role in salvation is extensively addressed in Scripture! Thanks again! --Joe! |
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