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1 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 38848 | ||
Greetings Andrew! The only problem with your explanation my friend is that it is pure speculation. We don't know if they were taught to baptize in any name at all prior to Matt. 28:19. However, we are clearly told in Mt. 28:19 that they were to baptize in the name of all three! The narrative data of Acts can be interpreted several possible ways. 1) The phrase "in the name of Jesus" could be a shortened form of the longer phrase, with the longer phrase being assumed in light of Mt. 28:19. 2) The phrase "in the name of Jesus" may not have been used in the actual baptism at all, but could have referred to being baptized by the authority of Jesus. 3) The disciples may have felt that Mt. 28:19 was not meant to be a strict formula and the phrase "in the name of Jesus" was sufficent. Any of these options is possible! This is why Reformer Joe said in one of his posts that the accounts of Acts are simply not clear, while Mt. 28:19 is very clear. It is the only verse in the entire Bible which deals with how baptism should be done. The rest are descriptions, thus may not include every detail. However, it is pointless to speculate about what Jesus may or may not have taught them prior to Mt. 28:19, since there is no Biblical record of that teaching. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Hank | 38874 | ||
Tim, you and a handful of my other forum buddies continue to be sharper than razor soup on Scripture! (I thought this 'razor soup' description would carry a lot of weight coming from an Arkansas Razorback. I know you are deeply impressed :-) ) .... Well, on the baptismal 'formula,' I've witnessed scores of baptisms in my day and always the minister has said 'in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' Somehow I've always felt comfortable with this 'formula.' Still and all, I think that it is the spirit, not the words themselves, in which any of Jesus' commandments is carried out that is the more important consideration. I think it moot to opine, as some tend to do, on what exactly the Apostles may have said (if anything) before or after carrying out Christ's commandment to be baptized. Some may have simply baptized without verbal accompaniment, with the tacit understanding that the ordinance was being carried out in obedience to their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Again, I have no problem at all with the 'foruma.' But I am saying that the act of obedience itself, i.e., baptism, and the spirit in which it is obeyed, takes precedence over the formulaic announcement of it. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 38884 | ||
Greetings Hank! Coming from you my friend, I'll take that as a compliment! I think! :-) Razor soup - that's not made out of one of those ugly pigs is it? I agree with your perspective my friend. The only problem I've ever had with the "name of Jesus" position is that we are told that baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is somehow wrong, even though it is spelled out quite clearly in Mt. 28:19. Like you, I believe that it is obedience to the act itself which is important. I've even heard of missionaries who baptized in sand when water was not available. The details are not magical, it is the spiritual significance behind the act which is important. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | jmscott2 | 38915 | ||
read galatians 3:24-25....we are no longer under the.... law....we now have jesus(holy spirit)no water is needed anymore.....here is the scripture proof...read acts 11:16 peter say's then i "remembered"..john baptized with water but you will baptize with Holy spirit!jesus told his bapostles that he would send a helper in his name(holy spirit)now read acts 11:15.After that peter "never" baptized with water again because the holy spirit revealed to him baptism is by holy spirit now.....Matthew 5:17-18....he came to fulfil the law and the prophets and not set up fleshly ordinances....under the law jesus was baptized with water...notice john told i am the one that should be baptized by you(jesus)...but jesus told john let it be this time to fulfil the scriptures!..Read matthew 3:13-16....and john 3;15...and also...read john 1:26,30,33.....water was under the law which jesus ended when he was raised from the grave.....now read acts 11:16 again....."then i remembered"...peter say's with holy spirit i will baptize verse 18 then they were silenced because all this time they they did water baptism which is no longer valid.Only jews were under the law....so how do you baptize gentiles(you and i)?....by holy spirit in the name of the father and the son! | ||||||
5 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | kalos | 38928 | ||
Your Note: "we are no longer under the.... law" My reply to you: Are We Not Subject To The Law of God? Romans 3:31 (ESV) Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (Amplified) Do we then by [this] faith make the Law of no effect, overthrow it or make it a dead letter? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law. (GOD'S WORD version) Are we abolishing Moses' Teachings by this faith? That's unthinkable! Rather, we are supporting Moses' Teachings. (From "Not Subject To The Law of God?" Part 8. www.yashanet.com/library/under8.htm All following Scripture quotes are from the GOD'S WORD version of the Bible, unless otherwise noted.) "The teaching that 'we are free from the Torah,' is a product of hundreds of years of anti-Semitic theology and is in opposition to Scripture. The 'New Testament,' when put back into its Hebrew context, says this about the Torah and believers in Yeshua:" Matthew 5:17 "Don't ever think that I came to set aside Moses' Teachings or the Prophets. I didn't come to set them aside but to make them come true. James 2:10 If someone obeys all of God's laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them. Matt 19:17 Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments." Revelation 12:17 The serpent became angry with the woman. So it went away to fight with her other children, the ones who keep God's commands and hold on to the testimony of Jesus. John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments. John 15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will live in my love. I have obeyed my Father's commandments, and in that way I live in his love. Romans 3:31 Are we abolishing Moses' Teachings by this faith? That's unthinkable! Rather, we are supporting Moses' Teachings. 1 John 2:3 We are sure that we know Christ if we obey his commandments. 2:4 The person who says, "I know him," but doesn't obey his commandments is a liar. The truth isn't in that person. 2:5 But whoever obeys what Christ says is the kind of person in whom God's love is perfected. That's how we know we are in Christ. 1 John 5:3 (Revised Standard Version) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments (Greek: entole [Strong's #1785]: ethically used of the commandments in the Mosaic law). And his commandments (entole) are not burdensome. |
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6 | Jesus' name baptism? | Acts 2:38 | Magnum | 38938 | ||
kalos, Good answer! The Church for some unknown reason has has elected to turn it's back on G*ds commandments. I don't know if it's because anti-Jewish theology crept in to the doctrine of the early church or what, but the result is disturbing to say the least. I have read several surveys that show that divorce, alcohol abuse, and other transgressions of G*ds commands are higher in the Church of all places, than in the world! Is it possible that we have gone overboard with the "Grace" doctrine ? (I believe in Grace) So many people say they love G*d, but refuse to obey him, go figure. | ||||||